We went over this, before. Some seem to have buyer's remorse after buying the RA, so they can only stand to hear how awesome it is or they get jittery.

 

For a guy who demands facts,your statements are awefully subjective. I think, they should, it should, you would likely......
Point being, you have not driven them both, you are talking from a metaphorical mouth packaged neatly in your literally ****.

 

Guess the top gear "good" review is messed up. We all bought the wrong car. Go figure.

 

I dumped the Subie after 8 months, and I've had the RA for 20 months (so far). I've contemplated trading it in for the MR twice, and both times decided to keep my RA.
Yep, dissappionted buyer, right here. I guess that's why I've kept the car this long

 

Exact same **** happens on Subaru forums. People buy a Subaru and have to hear how awesome Subarus are all the time. Mention the fact an Evo can handle more power stock and is a superior track car and they lose their minds .

 

Tell me how "putting down similiar skid pad numbers" with far inferior tires is not impressive. Again let me remind you:
215 vs 235,
All season vs Summer.

Are you saying the AWD system is not playing any role in keeping up the numbers?
Again, power is cheap, suspension is easy to upgrade, however putting in an automated manual and 3 differentials is something a WRX cannot do.
Straight out of the box the RA is an under-performer. But when you talk about cars you take other things into consideration. It's like talking NA vs Turbo for power gain, there is no comparison.

 

The Mitsu AWD is phenomenal, far exceeds the Subie. In fact it's number 2 in the world, only to Attesa. Ever track day I watch Subies spin out of control left and right (hell I've had dodge around 2 of them mid corner, and the RA never lost composure), but Mitsu's literally dance around every track. Hands down.

To everyone who reads this thread:
Don't forget who you are talking to, a Miata owner, who has never driven these cars. All his statements are based on what "he heard from that one guy that one time...in band camp'". Call me crazy, but I put personal experience far ahead of Internet speculation.

/end this beotch/

 

Subaru AWD:
http://youtu.be/vreUlIu3-x4?t=22s

 

Actually, I have driven both cars. A friend has an Evo X MR, I've driven a handful of STIs, and yes, even a Ralliart.

The subjective element of my posts is the statement that deciding between the Ralliart and the WRX boils down to personal preference. However, since you've demanded facts, here they are.

Car and Driver
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...mparison-tests

2009 Ralliart

0-60: 5.4 s
0-100: 16.0 s
300 ft skid pad: 0.82 g
70-0: 177 ft
Slalom: 62 MPH

2009 WRX (tire size here is listed at 225)

0-60: 4.7 s
0-100: 12.9 s
300 ft skid pad: 0.87 g
70-0: 160 ft
Slalom: 62.5 MPH

Looks like the WRX is the winner here.

Road and Track
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...ime-for-turbos

2009 Ralliart

0-60: 5.4 s
0-100: 15.1 s
200 ft skid pad: 0.84 g
80-0: 227 ft
Slalom: 66.7 MPH

2009 WRX

0-60: 5.1 s
0-100: 13.5 s
200 ft skid pad: 0.87 g
80-0: 221 ft
Slalom: 67 MPH

Another win for the WRX.

Inside Line
http://www.insideline.com/subaru/imp...preza-wrx.html

2009 Ralliart

0-60: 5.8 s
200 ft skid pad: 0.8 g
60-0: 127 ft
Slalom: 65.6 MPH

2009 WRX (tires listed at 225)

0-60: 5.2 s
200 ft skid pad: 0.87 g
60-0: 107 ft
Slalom: 68.5 MPH

They swapped the Ralliart tires to a set of Bridgestone RE050A, better tires than what the WRX has.

0-60: 5.8 s
200 ft skid pad: 0.82 g
60-0: 120 ft
Slalom: 69.3 MPH

 

Lol again, you are talking about 215 vs 225.
Read more on it, since you like to quote from internet sources:
it turns out these RE050As are very worn

 

The new WRX has 235s but it looks like the 2009 had 225s. Once again, both tires are listed as ultra high performance summers.

Yes the AWD system should be considered, as should the TC-SST, but that's personal preference. The WRX can and does perform just as well as the Ralliart despite it's "inferior" AWD system. You want people to take into account a 1 cm difference in tire size yet you dutifully ignore the fact the WRX does what it does despite having what you describe as an inferior AWD system. The two cars have advantages and disadvantages.

Source? Was this specifically about the Ralliart? I'm guessing no, I'm guessing it's actually a quote referring to the Evo AWD system.

Oh so we can talk about personal track experience now? The only car I know of that was a complete write off at the track was a Mitsubishi Evo. The Subarus didn't crash. I guess this means Subaru is superior . Great logic right there. It isn't possible that driver could play a pretty big role here.

As I said, I've driven the cars mentioned here. They all have advantages and disadvantages. Don't let that get in the way of your posts though, it's certainly relevant that I also own a Miata as my track car.

Call me crazy, but I put hard data far ahead of internet speculation and biased personal experience.

Yep, somebody driving like a dumbass is certainly an indication of the car. It's not like people crash Evos and Ralliarts.

 

Sure, but even worn tires are sticky, in some cases, stickier than full tread tires. That doesn't change the fact that in stock trim, the WRX is a better performer. However, the Ralliart can be made a lot better with new tires. The same can be said of the WRX. Once again, both cars are great performers.

 

With similiar tires, I doubt the WRX can out-perform the RA in every category.

 

Maybe not, but will it outperform it in some categories? Probably. The two cars are extremely close. It's like deciding between Coke and Pepsi or blonde and brunette.

 

Ohhhh, forgive me, your friend let you dive their car for 5 minutes with them in the passenger seat. Shoot why didn't say so. I guess I work in an exhaust shop cuz I changed out my catback.
Would stop your "source" nonsense, this isn't debate class. You don't get 3 minutes to establish a rebuttal, with bonus points for taking quotes out of context and applying them as an absolute.
For a guy who said the two cars are equal, you sure are defensive about the WRX, while smacking down on the RA