Did I attack you? I clearly state you are a glorious warrior. That is data and fact. Are you pushing assumptions on me?

 

What are you talking about? I stated facts. Facts are not opinions, they're facts. The kind of comments you're referring to are no where near the same. If you get upset about facts, I don't know what to tell you. If you want to interpret the posting of data as a glowing personal review of the WRX, despite many statements indicating both cars are essentially equal and it boils down to personal preference, you need to have your head checked and maybe dial back the undying love of Mitsubishi.

 

Yep, that's definitely a fact based on data in the same vein as those I posted from multiple sources. God, this forum is just amazing sometimes.

 

Did I say I love Mitsubishi? You need to get your head checked and stop pushing emotions on people.

 

So they are essentially equal now? LOL I love how fast people change under peer pressure.

 

You're getting upset at someone because they posted facts that aren't in your personal car's best interest. You're implying that by posting these facts, I hate the Ralliart, am a troll, a loser, etc. You're fitting the fanboy bill pretty classically. What I'm saying is to take a step back and look at it again. Nowhere have I said the Ralliart sucks. Nowhere have I said the WRX is the best choice. I have said, and this is important, that deciding between the two is personal preference. Does the WRX perform better out of the box? Yes, if you don't like that, you're welcome to write to Road and Track, Car and Driver, Inside Line, Motortrend, etc.

 

That's been my position from the start, why else would I have said that deciding between the two is personal preference? Again, another attempt at a strawman argument.

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It sure sucks when someone can quite easily go back and find direct quotes from themselves that tears down your strawman.

 

This thread has gone way off course.

 

Wow...that was some awesome lawyer speak. Your gonna seriously say that you didn'y say that the WRX wasn't the superior one...just the superior performer...umm yeah. No judge, that wasn't murder...I found out that man was sleeping with my wife so I killed him in his bed...but that ain't murder.

 

Amby posted...you surprised?

 

I don't know the guy how would I? But after watching this happen.... I'm impressed it's gone on this long.

I think the thread is cooked to well done. Time to get it off the grill.

 

The two are not even remotely comparable. What you have described in your "example" is likely textbook murder (although there isn't enough information to say either way). By contrast, saying that the WRX is the better performer, something confirmed by 3 separate sources, is not the same as saying the WRX is the better car. What you have essentially done is this; argued that performance is the only way to measure the value of a car. If that is your argument, than yes, logically speaking, if the WRX is the better performer, it is the better car. However, that is a wildly oversimplified way to look at cars. There is more to determining which car is right for you than the numbers which is expressly why I said it boils down to personal preference. If you pick cars based on the numbers alone, you're not a true enthusiast. However, sometimes, numbers are handy ways to correct misinformation. That is how they are being used here, not to determine which car is "best" as that boils down to your individual priorities and tastes.

Moreover, the performance numbers of the WRX as they compare to the Ralliart are not my numbers or my opinion, they are the results produced by Road and Track, Car and Driver and Inside Line/Edmunds. If people don't like them, they are welcome to argue them against their respective publishers/producers. They are not "interwebz bs" either as both Road and Track and Car and Driver are publications.

If hearing the news that the WRX outperforms the Ralliart out of the box, something that should be obvious given the power and weight values of the cars and something that has been known for years now, upsets you so much that you need to resort to personal attacks and strawman arguments, maybe car forums and car ownership are not for you. Nobody is saying the Ralliart is a POS or that you should not be proud to own one, all that is being asked is that the information being posted online is correct, not simply the result of personal bias based on what you happen to own.

Corrected.

 

Yea... Like I said, he cannot see past the "internet numbers" and properly judge a car, poor human being.

 

It's his favourite argument In fact he typed it out 20 times just to prove how ignorant he is.

 

Again, what the **** are you talking about? Jesus, this thread is going full retard.

The numbers are not "internet numbers", they're the results of professional automotive journalists writing for Car and Driver, Road and Track and Inside Line.

I'm not judging either car and I'm staying quite neutral. Clearly you're not reading my posts. In almost every post, I have said, and I'll say it again, deciding between the WRX and the Ralliart boils down to personal preference. I have not said, at all, that the WRX is the better car and the one to buy. Of course this point is missed again and again. Yes the WRX is the better performing car out of the box but unless you see performance as the only measure of a car, that does not mean the WRX is the better car. Naturally I must be saying the WRX is the better car when I repeatedly say that the WRX and the Ralliart are very similar and someone should drive both and then decide for themselves which is right for them .


Yes, I'm the ignorant one because I post real data and real facts . I'm really ignorant for saying again and again that deciding between the two is personal preference. Man, wanting people to drive both cars and decide which is right for them is classic hating and the most ignorant thing possible . It'd be much better if I just attacked anyone that dared to challenge the supremacy of the car I personally drive and ignore reality in the process.

Now continue making more strawman arguments and getting pissed off at comments I never made in the first place .