Graeme

I have the FSE/Malpassi reg fitted together with pressure gauge. At this point in time I am not keen to play with throttlebody size as I have all the air flowing in that I can handle or rather the engine can handle. The motor is producing all the power I need for now, just need to refine the fuelling strategy for best performance and reliabilility, the project is done from this angle.

I assume you are talking about the injectors from the Magna V6? and which one the 3.0 or the 3.5?

 

guys i neva bag out lancers because i have one, and yes i think i may have one of the good ones, i have done a few things to mine and it goes well have no quater times but will soon. i highly doubt that any of us could beat a sportivo turbo rolla by 3-4 car lengths.... and if you say you have you have obviously never raced any one. if you were to beat them and i find this highly unlikly it would be by a bees dick. any how the reason why we do beat the standard rollas , and vti-r's and celecas is because they all use vtec technology. meaning they have 140kw, or 120kw but at 6500rpm, all these cars go like **** untill they hit there high rev range where their power opens up.... the lancer on the other hand, by the time you are @ 5500rpm you are ready for the next gear.... this reason we beat all vvti cars. a example would be a lancer mildly moded against a mivic 4g92..... we should chop it as the car is a slug untill it revs high. so yes i would say we have beaten some quick cars ( i have raced a vti-r and a rolla with vvti) but a turbo rolla i refuse to belive......

 

No offence, but anyone who thinks this is a problem, has never driven a VTEC enabled car.

If I were to drag you with my old S2000, I would dump the clutch at 5500rpm. The wheels would spin for a moment, then I'd be off. With a 9500rpm redline, and a close ratio gear box I wouldn't see below 5500rpm again until I braked, meaning the power produced is NEVER below 130Kw at the wheels.

So yeah... Everyone who I've heard bag out VTEC cars, are used to dumping clutch at 3-4K rpm, and shifting at 7k, just after VTEC kicks in. It's a matter of learning to drive a car that's been set up differently, that's all.

 

dude you are comparing a fwd $7000 car to a $70000 rwd wepon.... how bout you stop and think what would happen if a civic vti-r dumped the clutch at 5500..... lol i am still in shock in teh copmparason you made.... a non vtec s200 would kill any lancer.... only prob is in a civic you cant do that and yes this is a prob and yes i have driven one and yes i have beaten one.....

 

Okay, maybe the S2000 was a bit of an extreme comparison, but I used it because I used to own one. But I've driven a Civic VTiR as well, and the principle is still the same:

Dump at VTEC engagement, and make sure that it never again drops below VTEC until the race is finished. You can claim that you get no power until the high rpm, but that's not a problem, when that's where you spend 100% of your time.

 

dude ant fwd car if you dump it at high rpm will just lose trction and 2 things can happen....]
a)they dont get traction for a ling time
b) they get tractiuon and it bogs the car down.....

dude i have driven and raced many....

 

So have I, and that's not my experience...

I know FWD cars don't have the launching traction that RWDs do, but

1) Power is generated by high RPM, not high torque, so it doesn't spin indefinitely. This is also helps if you have stiff suspension and feather the clutch a little before dumping. (IE get some motion so that the difference in speed isn't huge to either the wheels or the engine)

2) If it does get traction, it does bog a little, but from my S2000, it droped from 5500 to generally 4000-4500, still plenty of power. I never watched too closely what happened with the Civic VTiR I drove, (I only had it for 3 days), but I do know I did get a decent launch.

Anyway, I'll like to stop here before it gets to an argument. I know many people say I was "abusing" my car, but I know I drove it for 4 years, 90,000km, including plenty of launches like that, and the clutch was still good. Admittedly the S2000 was built better than a Civic, but I still can't imagine that it'd be that much worse.

If you want, you can just say that to get good power out of VTEC, you need to drive it like you stole it... If that's the case, that's how I drove mine.

 

The same sort of problem exists with the Lancer. Realy there is not a lot of power untill you hit 4000rpm then you get a kick and you ride it out till 5500 (maybe a touch more but no more than 200rpm more though) then change. It is not like we can get power from the word go either. I feel it is not appropriate saying you can beat XYZ cars if you have not driven them either. I am not saying I am the best driver in the world but I have had exposure to many different situations, and I know beating a certain car once or even ten times over does not mean a thing if you know nothing about the driver. Any car can be beaten! If you want to find out how good other cars potentials are then drive them. If you consistantly win in yours and loose in consistantly in the other car then you know the true facts.

 

To be fair to those whose are watching this thread there has been much progress with the Lancer and Raptor Supercharger installation. I will report on where it is up to for the moment.

Currently we have a useable power range up to 5300rpm before the limits of the standard injectors are reached and this is with a rising rate fuel regulator fitted.

For now the power is 145Kw @ 5300 rpm and torque 256Nm, more is expected as the rpm increases to 6300 max. We are fairly sure that extra 1000 rpm will be bringing much bigger power numbers with it. When this is offered as a kit it will be at lower power values than this unless someone wants the lot as the output is just too hot for most folks. Acceleration at 200 km/h is quite unbelieveable as the needle just sweeps past like there is no stopping, with extra saftey built into the fuel supply we will be able to explore this region of the cars performance.

So there it is for the moment, see you at the Jambooree in a few weeks time hopefully. Just look for a stock Lancer coupe 2002 model with dual exhaust tips!!

 

Fellow in Boxster S thought the Lancer would be good for an easy run yesterday

Part way through the run old mate decided against the idea for some reason or other . It just looked a bit to iffy for him, but in saying all this had he really gone to the line with me he would have got there first by a small margin as the odds are stacked in his favour with Kg/Kw. Much laughing tho!

Still.....gave him a big enough wake up to think twice .

Must keep an eye out for those HSV drivers too

 

Dragged the 300Kw Monaro Coupe on Friday night. Only just beat him. Odd, since he's packing about about 300kg more, but only has about 60kw more than me.

I guess the 4WD system is a bit more lossy.

 

Well the tuning of the ballistic Lancer has come to the semi final stage, semi final because the catalytic converter has not been exchanged for a higher flowing unit + pipe and I feel this is holding the motor back from its peak, which is a somewhere around 170Kw now, as the 160 peak has pretty much come and gone. Rpm limit has been kept to 6200 max. All standard parts still in place ie air filter and housing, exhaust (will change), fuel pump, fuel line, injectors,ignition/timing, you name it this machine is stock apart from S/C and accompanying components. Say's a lot for Mitsubishi engineering. Clutch does not slip, but we treat it with respect.

The fuelling has been attended too and report the acceleration as downright scary, will drive staight over an SS commodore ute like you won't believe. Also had a small run with a 250 Kw (thats what the badges said) commodore sedan this afternoon and it was no problem to give him a good seeing to.

 

Well done, thats the way. Show em all the POPWER of the LANCER

 

I feel a bit cheeky with this one but anyone out there with an unbeatable Sportivo for me to race



Cheers all

 

what the hell?? i didnt know mitsubishi had a lancer coupe