Apparently, official word is still looming.

 

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/10...62l-small.html
If corvette can be like this, why shouldn't be EVO like that, especially if Subaru is going that way upcoming year.

 

Ok. Before I post this I'm just saying I'm only 3 pages into this thread but it will be completely read because this is interesting to me. However I have to say I'm really disgusted with how closed minded everyone is about this hybrid technology. It's been proven to work in F1, Diesel Makes amazing low end torque, and Electric cars have 100% torque through the RPM range. Horsepower does NOT win races torque does. Raw horse power is what dictates your top speed, but, torque dictates how quickly you get there.

People who will sit there and say that the hybrid will never be a performer are still living in the first years of the prius. You have to look at the evidence and get out of the muscle car mindset. The technology in this is amazing. When you have electric cars destroying Lotus' and Porshces (IE ) and you have F1 recognizing the potential of hybrid abilities AND you hybrid vehicles WINNING Le Mans (http://www.dpncanada.com/Site-Conten...s-Le-Mans.html) its really kind of ignorant to continue arguing that this is going to be a terrible thing for a future performance cars. I only see good things. You're going to get the power and performance everyone of us wants with the fuel economy we all want. Maybe its just me and the community I hail from but I fail to see how any of this can be a bad thing. The only thing I'm waiting to see for from this is the reliability factor from this set up.

I honestly think this will be a gold mine to Mitsubishi if they can get it right and we need to actually open up our browsers to google and actually research hybrid technology in the performance world since most of us seem to be stuck in the prius hybrid mind set. That being said I'll just leave this here.

http://www.gtspirit.com/2012/01/28/o...s-gt300-racer/
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...cars-in-top-10
http://www.gizmag.com/formul-1-going...ing-too/17212/
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2010...NEWS/100219985

Now really ask yourself this. If all the top end car makers alot of us wish we could get into are making top end hybrid race cars why shouldn't Mitsubishi if they can do it at a much lower price.

 

I agree with what you say, except that you are somewhat confused about both F1 and LeMans. In F1, they use KERS, which is only used on straightaways to give extra power for passing. F1 cars are incapable of running alone on just KERS. So, referring to them as hybrids is a misnomer. Secondly, the Audi R18 e-tron uses a flywheel and this is used when the car reaches about 80 mph. Again, the car is incapable of running solely on electricity. So, both of these examples are unrelated as to what Mitsubishi will do with the next Evo.

What you should be looking at is the Toyota TS030 hybrid. This car enters pit lane and exits on battery power only. This would be what Mitsubishi could mimic, not an F1 car or the Audi R18 e-tron. Given a recent Motor Trend test of the Tesla Model S. This car, which is a pure electric car, did 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and did the quarter mile in 12.5 @ almost 111 mph. It weighs 4,766 pounds, so its performance is quite amazing. They noted the instantaneous acceleration, which would give it a jump over almost any other car from a standstill.

With technological breakthroughs in batteries as well as electric motors, the next Evo could provide amazing performance, so it would be poor form indeed to discount it.

 

Thank you for pointing out what I apparently missed as I scanned through those articles. However the point of the post (I obviously went off on a tangent) was that to discount potential future and even current hybrid performance technology is a GIGANTIC mistake and even though I am Subaru enthusiast I am VERY interested and supportive of what Mitsubishi is doing because A) I like to keep tabs on the "enemy" and B) I'm a car enthusiast more than just model type so anytime anyone takes a great leap forward in what they are doing in performance on a platform that is in a competitive price range I become very interested. (I'm not arguing with you only agreeing and apologizing for going off on a tangent and using poor examples.)

 

^ It is all good. You have an open mind, which is a good thing. Given recent technology breakthroughs in hybrid cars as well as several wins in the WEC by Toyota, hybrids are looking better all the time. We know that diesel engines have great performance potential as seen by Audi with the R10, R15 and R18 and Peugeot with the 908. Both have made incredible power with their diesel powerplants. Toyota uses a gas engine, so while the electric motor and battery might be more similar to what Mitsubishi may use, the powerplants will be different.

 

The Evo 1-10 are gone. Why can't people just accept it. I hate hearing the " Glad I kept my MR " BS. While the rest of the world is moving onto incredibly fast hybrids you'll be in your good old 16 MPG Evo.

I can't wait to see what the new Evo has in store for us.

 

Accepted of course, but I'll be buying my "Fast Hybird" when the need arises somewhere other than Mitsubishi that's for sure.

 

its a cool idea lets wait and see how it turns out before we judge

 

I'd be willing to bet that Mitsubishi will use the Ralliart's 240~ HP 4B11T coupled to some kind of hybrid drive system upping the output about 60-70hp to meet the 300 TOTAL HP.

After all having a 60-70hp electric motor could be hugely successful especially in highway cruising scenarios. Yet you'll still have the "all new" 4B11T still in the car only powered down. Hell, I've seen 30+ mpg in my Ralliart on long cruises on the highway in "Eco" mode. What's to stop that from being around 45-50 with an electric motor helping the charge down the highway and the gas engine running at a very light load to charge batteries and provide minimal power?

Someone please tell me if I'm wayyyyy off on this one.

 

That is completely wrong in every way. Horsepower is what is going to determine how fast you get to a certain speed. You can have a massive amount (thousands of ft lbs) of torque on something with a low RPM like a water wheel and still be incredibly slow. Torque is how much force can be applied to something. Horsepower is how much work can be done over time. It's the same reason some diesel trucks make a huge amount of torque, but not much horsepower. If you can't keep the torque curve up through the RPM range, you won't have much power, and you won't be fast. Another example is crotch rockets. They don't make much torque, but they make a lot of horsepower because they can keep their (small) amount of torque up in high rpms rather than tapering off.

A simple way of explaining it is this: If you have a compeltely flat torque curve through the entire rpm range, you will have double the power at 4000 rpms as you would at 2000 rpms. Horsepower is a calculation based off torque and engine speed. As far as being fast goes, torque only matters in that you have to keep a good curve in the high rpm range so that you have a high amount of horsepower.

 

well you can't get the engine charging the motor and expect efficiency. To the extent your batteries power the motor you relieve the engine and lighten its load, but you can't charge from the motor fast enough to cover the discharge... unless you ramp up the load. In charging the batteries with the engine you are battling a big fight with lost energy. So no, its not some magic bullet.
Where the motor shines is in the acceleration, then run the engine in cruise, where, as you say, you get pretty good mileage.
So recouping braking energy and home charging would help out the most.

ps, btw at some point people will figure out that battery powered cars don't mean less energy used and that batteries really are expensive. Expensive to the environment too. CO2 is plant food ,batteries are poison to everything.

 

You've made so many false statements in here that I'll just have to start from the top. First, an engine certainly can charge the batteries as fast as they can be discharged. That actually is the basis for the Chevy Volt's drivetrain, which has a 55 kW generator linked to the engine. The Tesla's battery pack can charge at a 100 kW rate, so if you can run a 100 kW generator using the engine, then you can recharge at the battery's max recharge rate. An EVO X can cruise using only about 20 kW, which even a modest sized generator and engine combo can sustain.

Second, the electric motor shines in more than just acceleration. At cruise loads, most AC motors run at about 85-90% efficiency, meaning they shine there as well. While recharging batteries using the engine is not ideal, it is, in many ways, better for efficiency than using the engine to directly drive the wheels. True, there will be charging losses, but those aren't any worse than the frictional and mechanical losses from the drivetrain. Besides, when you use the engine to run a generator, you can maximize its efficiency in ways that cannot be done if the engine is used to drive the wheels directly. You can maximize BSFC and run 100% WOT at all times if you are using the engine to produce electricity for the electric motors and recharge the batteries.

Lastly, CO2 seems to be the buzz word that all the kids are talking about these days, but realistically, it is one of the least harmful chemicals that our exhausts release. CO, NOx, etc. are much worse and are far from plant food. While the chemicals in batteries are toxic, they are kept in a sealed system that is only exposed to the environment in rare and extreme situations, and even when those battery chemicals are released, they are no more or less harmful than gasoline and oil that would be spilled in similar circumstances. And at the end of their life, those batteries will be recycled.

 

Future Evo XI Drivetrain?


Mitsubishi PX MiEVII

This concept of hybrid 4x4 has also been revealed in Tokyo, but more than the vehicle itself we are particularly interested in its powertrain...

This technology developed in-house combines a 2000cc 4-cylinder engine to two 60kW electric motors (2x81ch) placed on each axle. As a result it offers four-wheel drive and consumption of only 1.7 per 100km in combined mode and a total range of 800km.

The PX-MiEV II powertrain offers three driving modes:
-Electric only with a range estimated to 50km




-Series hybrid: only the electric motors power the wheels, electricity then comes from the battery, the gasoline engine is used as generator.




-Parallel hybrid: the three engines operate together to offer increased power




That would be an ideal powertrain for an hybrid Lancer announced a few weeks ago don’t you think?

Although the power of the four cylinder has not been revealed, it is reasonable to estimate that the combined power will be between 250 and 300hp ...

To be continued!

Source: http://www.technologicvehicles.com/e...-powertrain-fo

 

We know of this, btw its 2 rear motors for EVO in the back.