10.39 @ 134 Fp Red
y are u not running a larger turbo yet? money or other? u are sponsored by ETS so im sure u wouldnt have a prob getting one.
Why does everyone forget to look at the Average HP and TQ. As far as average goes, the Red handed the 3076 its ****, on a less built car at that.
My apologies for taking this off topic for one post. I won't be getting into an internet slugfest tonight, way too tired (NYC Timezone)
But sometimes people just put their foot in their mouth.
FpRed 30psi, pump gas, ( I DO trust BR testing/tuning procedures.)
3076 with .82 a/r 22psi
But sometimes people just put their foot in their mouth.
FpRed 30psi, pump gas, ( I DO trust BR testing/tuning procedures.)
3076 with .82 a/r 22psi
Trent needs to put an instructional vid on youtube for those short times. 1.45. YIKES!!
The whole comparison is apples to oranges. People love comparing apples to oranges around here. My point was that people looking for PEAK hp need to buy a 35r or bigger, end of story. The people that don't buy that stuff say it is because they want a broader power band, not just peak power. If that is the case then those people should look at the average hp number and be less concerned with the peak #
also keep in mind the Red dyno run was only ran 7500, if it were ran higher, I am sure the Average number on it would be even higher.
yes the 30r was on 22 psi, so what. crank it up to 30 and it would make 30-40 more hp for only a few thousand RPMS and its average HP would still be lower
also keep in mind the Red dyno run was only ran 7500, if it were ran higher, I am sure the Average number on it would be even higher.
yes the 30r was on 22 psi, so what. crank it up to 30 and it would make 30-40 more hp for only a few thousand RPMS and its average HP would still be lower
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I think that the HTA3076 is capable of running near the same times as this RED at the track but deffinatly does not have the "area under the curve" that everyone is bringing up.
All in all I have been very impressed with the RED after looking at a bunch of data from runs with it.
All in all I have been very impressed with the RED after looking at a bunch of data from runs with it.
The whole comparison is apples to oranges. People love comparing apples to oranges around here. My point was that people looking for PEAK hp need to buy a 35r or bigger, end of story. The people that don't buy that stuff say it is because they want a broader power band, not just peak power. If that is the case then those people should look at the average hp number and be less concerned with the peak #
also keep in mind the Red dyno run was only ran 7500, if it were ran higher, I am sure the Average number on it would be even higher.
yes the 30r was on 22 psi, so what. crank it up to 30 and it would make 30-40 more hp for only a few thousand RPMS and its average HP would still be lower
also keep in mind the Red dyno run was only ran 7500, if it were ran higher, I am sure the Average number on it would be even higher.
yes the 30r was on 22 psi, so what. crank it up to 30 and it would make 30-40 more hp for only a few thousand RPMS and its average HP would still be lower
and the 30r is still making good power and the torque is holding pretty flat to 8000 rpm where as the red is already on the downturn at 7500. spinning the red farther in the rpm range is not gonna give any more power.
im not sure how you are saying average hp is lower on the 30r, looks to me like the 30r has more area under the curve. maybe i should print this out and throw it into the integrator lol
the hotside on the red is going to be a bigger restriction than on the 30r simply due to the limitations of the stock frame housing
Are you kidding? Under the graph there is a column for Average hp 269 (30r) - 327 (red). No I dont think the 30r would pick up more than 40 hp from 8 more psi on pump gas. The timing would have to be dropped down. Yes the Red is losing a little up top, but even losing a little running 500 more RPMs would compensate for the low HP around the 3-4k mark INCREASING the average.
Reread my post again and you will see I am not saying that the 30r wont make more peak power. I know it will. If you are worried about peak power though, why waste money on the 30r, get a 35. People say they buy 30Rs for a broader power range. In that category Average HP is the standard, and the Red wins
Reread my post again and you will see I am not saying that the 30r wont make more peak power. I know it will. If you are worried about peak power though, why waste money on the 30r, get a 35. People say they buy 30Rs for a broader power range. In that category Average HP is the standard, and the Red wins
Last edited by 2highpsi; Jul 16, 2008 at 07:12 AM.
I think that the HTA3076 is capable of running near the same times as this RED at the track but deffinatly does not have the "area under the curve" that everyone is bringing up.
All in all I have been very impressed with the RED after looking at a bunch of data from runs with it.
All in all I have been very impressed with the RED after looking at a bunch of data from runs with it.
You may have looked at the graphs incorrectly, please re-read.
At 5700rpm both turbo's where in the 400-410hp range. From that point forward the larger turbo/tubular manni combo breathes better. You may use your car for road racing and such, but at the dragstip I NEVER see 5700.
You may also refer to the charts at 7500-8000 where most guys with cams/valvetrain are taking their platforms and EVERY 6speed car that crosses 120mph in the 1/4mile.
Can you see that the 'average' hp under the curve from 6k- 8k (where your motor lives at the dragstrip for 98% of the time). Can you also see where the tq is for both turbos in the same rpm range?
Thank you for 'agreeing to disagree' while still keeping it civil. But I think this argument is over now.
Here's my take, the FPred is awesome...Point blank. So what if it falls on it's face at 9k? A good driver will know to short-shift the car and keep it in the powerband. STOCK APPEARING!! (can you say- still under mitsubishi powertrain coverage) It's gone low 10's already and will hit high 9's on a lighter car for sure. What more could you ask of a stock-frame turbo?
I have one gripe--- There's not enough of them!!! The community needs more!!!
The 15-17 released is such a tease.
