10.39 @ 134 Fp Red
Ok now I get it. You are taking the information at the bottom of the sheet out of context. Those numbers average in the 3000-4500rpm range.
In a drag racing scenario, you average in the hp in the rpm range that's being used during the drive. So yes, the red would kick *** in bumper to bumper traffic.
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One other thing with all of this apples to oranges talk.
Everyone always references boost when comparing one setup to another. Boost in the manifold is completly a function of restriction to flow. If you were to add much larger valves, have some serious port work performed to the head, have a better set of cams installed, and left your boost controller set the exact same, you would most likely see a significant drop in boost pressure measured in the manifold. This is because you would be maintaining more airflow due to less restriction and therefore your boost has changed. It is hard to therefore compare a setup on boost alone, even if you are familiar to the turbo.
Boost is only one part of the equation, Airflow is another part of the equation that is not as commonly discussed.
When we are at car shows, I always hear people asking, "how much boost you running" like it is the end all for determining how fast the car is, and are blown away when some says 35 psi. Obviously 35psi on an 16G turbo is much different than 35psi on a 42R, and the difference is airflow.
Everyone always references boost when comparing one setup to another. Boost in the manifold is completly a function of restriction to flow. If you were to add much larger valves, have some serious port work performed to the head, have a better set of cams installed, and left your boost controller set the exact same, you would most likely see a significant drop in boost pressure measured in the manifold. This is because you would be maintaining more airflow due to less restriction and therefore your boost has changed. It is hard to therefore compare a setup on boost alone, even if you are familiar to the turbo.
Boost is only one part of the equation, Airflow is another part of the equation that is not as commonly discussed.
When we are at car shows, I always hear people asking, "how much boost you running" like it is the end all for determining how fast the car is, and are blown away when some says 35 psi. Obviously 35psi on an 16G turbo is much different than 35psi on a 42R, and the difference is airflow.
Ok now I get it. You are taking the information at the bottom of the sheet out of context. Those numbers average in the 3000-4500rpm range.
In a drag racing scenario, you average in the hp in the rpm range that's being used during the drive. So yes, the red would kick *** in bumper to bumper traffic.
In a drag racing scenario, you average in the hp in the rpm range that's being used during the drive. So yes, the red would kick *** in bumper to bumper traffic.
Now we are comparing to the HTA3076....it was a 35r before what is next the 50 trim?
It out performs the Green...the only other decent stock replacement turbo..and that is all we should be comparing it to. Period. Or that ATP junk that bolts up to a stock manifold. It's a good stock turbo UPGRADE.
I don't think people will be tossing out their 30 or 35r's for it...but guys with Greens may be unbolting them now..LOL..
I am going to say this one last thing, then I promise I am done hijacking this thread. I just can't help reading this stuff is driving me insane.
If you are not worried about the performance of the car from 3 - 6k and are only worried about 6k and up drag applications then you should not be looking at the Red OR the 30r. Both will get thier butts kicked by a 35r. This turbo (the Red) is meant for the 90 percent of people that say they want power and they DONT want a ton of lag. You keep bringing up the top end. FINE I will say it AGAIN. the 30r is better up top. It also has a lot more lag and makes way less AVERAGE hp. Anyone that does not care about lag and only wants top end is missing the boat with either of these turbos, because there are better ones out there for that.
If you are not worried about the performance of the car from 3 - 6k and are only worried about 6k and up drag applications then you should not be looking at the Red OR the 30r. Both will get thier butts kicked by a 35r. This turbo (the Red) is meant for the 90 percent of people that say they want power and they DONT want a ton of lag. You keep bringing up the top end. FINE I will say it AGAIN. the 30r is better up top. It also has a lot more lag and makes way less AVERAGE hp. Anyone that does not care about lag and only wants top end is missing the boat with either of these turbos, because there are better ones out there for that.
I overlayed and rescaled the fp red dyno onto the hta 3076 dyno for easier comparison. We all know its apples to oranges since the hta3076 was tested on Dave's car and the red was tested on Trent's car, with 22psi and 30 psi, respectively, but I thought making an overlay would help with the comparison anyway.
The lighter lines are the FP Red and the darker lines are the HTA 3076.
Eric
The lighter lines are the FP Red and the darker lines are the HTA 3076.
Eric
Last edited by l2r99gst; Jul 16, 2008 at 07:48 AM.
Are you kidding? Under the graph there is a column for Average hp 269 (30r) - 327 (red). No I dont think the 30r would pick up more than 40 hp from 8 more psi on pump gas. The timing would have to be dropped down. Yes the Red is losing a little up top, but even losing a little running 500 more RPMs would compensate for the low HP around the 3-4k mark INCREASING the average.
Reread my post again and you will see I am not saying that the 30r wont make more peak power. I know it will. If you are worried about peak power though, why waste money on the 30r, get a 35. People say they buy 30Rs for a broader power range. In that category Average HP is the standard, and the Red wins
Reread my post again and you will see I am not saying that the 30r wont make more peak power. I know it will. If you are worried about peak power though, why waste money on the 30r, get a 35. People say they buy 30Rs for a broader power range. In that category Average HP is the standard, and the Red wins
if you look closely the only place the red has an advantage over the 30r is below about 4750 simply because it is spooling faster/ running more boost.
Last edited by justboosted02; Jul 16, 2008 at 07:56 AM.
The 3076 was run in March, the Red yesterday, see 03whitegsr's thread to see what happens when you correct for the weather conditions. The Red will look a whole lot better than it shows.
