can we send in are IC sprayer to get it converted over to this set up for less cash?

 

Yes - you can if it is in mint condition you can save $30 - I would charge you a core charge and refund you when I had your core

IMHO - better to keep your old tank so when you sell the car one day you can eaily remove the tank and put the car back to stock function - just my idea

 

Hi Al.

Seriously thinking about doing this when you get back to Buschur. Here's the plan:

Cams install, fuel pump, alky inj. system.

Questions:

1. At this power level, would you suggest 272's for cams? I may also upgrade the turbo following this.

2. Would larger fuel injectors make a difference? I'm thinking 660's or 720's.

3. Can you explain how a two stage flash would work in this situation? For example, do I need two ECU's?

Thanks and really looking forward to finally meeting you!!

 

1 - power differnce btween 264 and 272 on stock bottom end and head is marginal - just shifting tq curve about a bit - BUT the 264 idles muchy better so it is my choice

2 - the Buschur 650 injectors are a good choice and work great with the stock ecu and a flash

3 - It would be on one ecu - the exact details are not something I care to lay out in detail here - call me if your curious

 

I am curious Call you tomorrow.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evo_doer
Alcohol injection is a old concept quite true. It was developed during the second world war to assist the axis airplanes to reach maximum surface ceiling at a faster rate than the allies for obvious reasons. If you tune a car to run alky injection at 25 lbs of boost, and forget to top off the alky canister. What failsafes are inplace to monitor detonation while the boost, and pcm is set @ higher levels? Do you have to turn down the boost everytime the reservoir is low? or?

Ask me about the amazing power of alcohol injection and a reflash !


Can you answer this question, or do you just buy all this other stuff to prevent a failure?



Alky sprayer-499.00
Electronic Ignition system: $90 to $195 (depending on the manufacture)
Rev. Limiter: $75 to $110 (some are not adjustable w/o added costs)
Knock retard: $150 to $350 (no other system has cylinder control, and/or are not a closed loop micro-processor controlled)
Total: $315 to $665 (cost of other products to do some of what the Safeguard does) The investment in a SafeGuard unit is $564.00

What is the total investment for this performance mod for the engine to be safely monitored? I get a minimum of 1,693.00 with out labor. Sound correct?

How long is the install w/wo the other components?

 

The Alcohol kit comes with a bare minimum of testing equipment which consists of :

1. The low level indicator on the controller which mounts in the cockpit

2. A testing pressure gauge which is mounted on the tank to test the pressure output over time and its built in pressure operated indicator sprayer light (mounted in the dash unit inside the car) which shows you when the spray is buidlng proper pressure - (no light and you dont have enough pressure so shuit it down)

3. The "test" button should be depressed each and every time the car is driven to verfiy that the system is operational. The procedure is you hold the car at a steady 3,000 rpms and hit the test button - if the system is operational the spray light will iluminate and the spray will cause the car to bog down slightly.

Thereafter, all my tunes will be designed so that in the event that the alcohol fails - the ecu will be able to qucikly pull timing and render the car in a functional and safe operating mode. You will prob immediately feel the car pull the timing and see your boost gauge drop off.

The a/f without the alcohol will still be well under 12 / 1 and the timing with safe levels. In fact my alcohol tune is prob more conservative than many other popular tuners normal pump gas tunes. However - there is still some element of risk with such a kit and running high boost and it is not for everyone.

Those considering this should review some data over at www.turbobuick.com and you can see that people have been using Alcohol kits must less advanced than this one for years and years without an incidents or problems. Your concerns are valid points but the use of these systems is not that problimatic.

Those seeking additional saftey measures such as the knock link can add those functions either now or later

BTW - I would not run any turbo car without a knock link - way to cheap insurance

 

i dont think anyone will for get to fill the happy juice.. well aleast not all of us will.

if you run 20 psi is it worth the mod?

 

Heck there have been guys that have forgotten to put oil in there cars - so anything is possible !

I am taking this very carefully and seriously though beause the last thing anyone wants to hear about is people with blown up motors.

I think my warnings and comments posted on the first page will be enough to make everyone consider this type of system twice before they buy one. Its not for everyone - BUT it can offer a great level of performance on a real budget for anyone who is willing to take the precautions needed.

 

Al, care to mention why you (and Dave Buschur) seem to prefer injecting alcohol to water?

-- DavidV

 

Bump.

 

I would'nt be so sure about that. Without a real system safe guard ,the motor would be junk before you could blink.

 

Alcohol gets you some octane while water just cools the charge air down.

 

You could never run high boost levels without the Methanol, it raises the octane and halts detonation, water alone could not do this..

 

This sounds like a very interesting product. My question is, can you just have this for racing/track use or when you feel like really halling ***? Mainly using 20 psi for daily driving in Lo mode then on the EBC have 25psi in Hi mode with alky, and some aggressive AFC settings or use your dual ecu flash? Also about how long does the Alky last say at 25psi of boost? Would a wideband be a good monitor or is it too slow to tell you if anything is going on?

What about the safety factor? If you were to have a side impact by the bottle or head on that little plastic bottle isn't going to stand up very well. Would the whole front of the car burst into flames? Just wondering.... I don't plan on that happening but you never know.....