Alcohol Kit and Dyno Flash
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Alcohol Kit and Dyno Flash
Alcohol injection is the most exciting development on evo modifications since I started working on evos two years ago. Of course its been around for a long time on other cars but it took David Buschur to open my eyes to the amazing effect it has on evos and to package it in a simple, reliable and cost effective kit.
Starting tomorrow I will be offering the Buschur Racing Alcohol kits for $499.99. I have a couple in stock and I have order 15 more. I believe that the alcohol kit will be a very popular evo mod. Trust me when i tell you that its a night and day improvement.
Its a really amazing kit and is super stealth. It is all pre-installed into the intercoller spray tank bottle. (you wont miss the intercooler sprayer with the alcohol)! Its a progressive controller and fully adjustable. This microprocessor based unit will automatically increase spray pressure as boost rises, and allows you to set the boost level at when spray begins , and when spray is at max.. A bonus with this controller is the smaller size - it measures only 2.75" wide x .9" high x 4.6" deep. The control unit fits inside the change holder in the left hand dash - (where the fuses are).
Features Include:
In Car Control Unit!
Adjustable Pump Speed Control
Adjustable Spray On Point
Test/Prime Button
"Low Alcohol" Warning Lite
"Spray On" Lite (pressure based)
"Armed" Lite
Braided Steel Alcohol Line
*New* Evo Tank with attached Pump (drop in install - sweet)
90 psi Spray Pressure
On-Tank Pressure Guage & Switch
Weatherpack Connectors
Brass Fine Spray Nozzle
The concept with the alcohol is that you can run a race gas tune making peak whp possible at high boost 25 psi or more while running regular pump gas.
The alcohol effectively cools the intake charge and raises the effective octane to verty high levels which allows us to step up the tuning parameters and make some serious power gains on your pump gas.
A few points I would like to post in public before we begin doing this. I have tuned over 1,000 reflashed evos so far with no tuning related engine failures. (We have had one blown head gasket on a high mileage car which made 357 tq and one piston which cracked in half while racing - possible casting flaw). Therefore, it is safe to conclude that the regular Dyno Flashed ecu is a a fery safe product in terms of engine reliability and durability.
The alcohol injection will allow us to push the cars much harder and make power levels which were previously only possible with race gas on highly modified cars.
Extra CAUTION is indicated
1 - Head stud upgrades are recomended for all cars.
2 - No guarantees are made concerning the life span of the stock pistons at these power levels. It is a fact that some people are going to have pistons break when they start reaching up above 350 whp and head towards 400. I have seen many evos make over 500 whp on the stock bottom end. There should be plenty of ability to hold 400 plus whp - however - I want to state up front for those going over 350 whp - you do so at your own risk.
3 - The alcohol kit comes with a low level warning indicator and a empty indicator and a test button. It is super important to MAKE SURE that the acohol NEVER runs out. If you run the car on pump gas with high boost and a agressive reflash tune and your alcohol runs out your risk some serious engine damage.
These points are important issues to consider if you are contemplating the alcohol kit and tune. The alcohol kit has the ability to make INSANE power levels on pump gas - however - when making those levels of power you are placing more stress upon your engine components. Just something to consider. Time will tell how reliable the cars with these high power levels are. Our race gas customers to date usually only run high boost on occassion or at the track. It will be interesting to see how the engines fare with daily high boost / big power.
I have no yet worked out pricing on the flashing and update flashing on the alcohol kits. I will post up details on that in a few days.
For the time being I am only offering a through the mail flash on this particular designed kit that I and Buschur Racing are selling. This kit has now been dyno tested and has a unique spray patern and alcohol delivery calibration which I am familiar with.
If you buy some other brand kit I can only custom tune it at this point.
I will be posting dyno sheets and other data on this thread as I go.
Thanks for your interest.
Starting tomorrow I will be offering the Buschur Racing Alcohol kits for $499.99. I have a couple in stock and I have order 15 more. I believe that the alcohol kit will be a very popular evo mod. Trust me when i tell you that its a night and day improvement.
Its a really amazing kit and is super stealth. It is all pre-installed into the intercoller spray tank bottle. (you wont miss the intercooler sprayer with the alcohol)! Its a progressive controller and fully adjustable. This microprocessor based unit will automatically increase spray pressure as boost rises, and allows you to set the boost level at when spray begins , and when spray is at max.. A bonus with this controller is the smaller size - it measures only 2.75" wide x .9" high x 4.6" deep. The control unit fits inside the change holder in the left hand dash - (where the fuses are).
Features Include:
In Car Control Unit!
Adjustable Pump Speed Control
Adjustable Spray On Point
Test/Prime Button
"Low Alcohol" Warning Lite
"Spray On" Lite (pressure based)
"Armed" Lite
Braided Steel Alcohol Line
*New* Evo Tank with attached Pump (drop in install - sweet)
90 psi Spray Pressure
On-Tank Pressure Guage & Switch
Weatherpack Connectors
Brass Fine Spray Nozzle
The concept with the alcohol is that you can run a race gas tune making peak whp possible at high boost 25 psi or more while running regular pump gas.
The alcohol effectively cools the intake charge and raises the effective octane to verty high levels which allows us to step up the tuning parameters and make some serious power gains on your pump gas.
A few points I would like to post in public before we begin doing this. I have tuned over 1,000 reflashed evos so far with no tuning related engine failures. (We have had one blown head gasket on a high mileage car which made 357 tq and one piston which cracked in half while racing - possible casting flaw). Therefore, it is safe to conclude that the regular Dyno Flashed ecu is a a fery safe product in terms of engine reliability and durability.
The alcohol injection will allow us to push the cars much harder and make power levels which were previously only possible with race gas on highly modified cars.
Extra CAUTION is indicated
1 - Head stud upgrades are recomended for all cars.
2 - No guarantees are made concerning the life span of the stock pistons at these power levels. It is a fact that some people are going to have pistons break when they start reaching up above 350 whp and head towards 400. I have seen many evos make over 500 whp on the stock bottom end. There should be plenty of ability to hold 400 plus whp - however - I want to state up front for those going over 350 whp - you do so at your own risk.
3 - The alcohol kit comes with a low level warning indicator and a empty indicator and a test button. It is super important to MAKE SURE that the acohol NEVER runs out. If you run the car on pump gas with high boost and a agressive reflash tune and your alcohol runs out your risk some serious engine damage.
These points are important issues to consider if you are contemplating the alcohol kit and tune. The alcohol kit has the ability to make INSANE power levels on pump gas - however - when making those levels of power you are placing more stress upon your engine components. Just something to consider. Time will tell how reliable the cars with these high power levels are. Our race gas customers to date usually only run high boost on occassion or at the track. It will be interesting to see how the engines fare with daily high boost / big power.
I have no yet worked out pricing on the flashing and update flashing on the alcohol kits. I will post up details on that in a few days.
For the time being I am only offering a through the mail flash on this particular designed kit that I and Buschur Racing are selling. This kit has now been dyno tested and has a unique spray patern and alcohol delivery calibration which I am familiar with.
If you buy some other brand kit I can only custom tune it at this point.
I will be posting dyno sheets and other data on this thread as I go.
Thanks for your interest.
Last edited by DynoFlash; Jan 28, 2005 at 03:55 PM.
Hey Al, what would be better? 100octane or this injection kit.
How would you always know its doing its job, as far as working properly, reliability, longetivity.
Are there any down sides.
How would you always know its doing its job, as far as working properly, reliability, longetivity.
Are there any down sides.
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Hey Al, what would be better? 100octane or this injection kit.
How would you always know its doing its job, as far as working properly, reliability, longetivity.
Are there any down sides.
How would you always know its doing its job, as far as working properly, reliability, longetivity.
Are there any down sides.
This kit has a test mode and a built in pressure gauge to test the pump output.
Speaking with Dan Cokic of Pruven Performance we have decided that and EGT gauge while helpful will prob not react fast enough to give you qucik enough warning in the event of a failure in the alcohol system.
We suggest the following :
I used that in my race car the lights are directly in my line of sight in front of my face = suggestionj is when you see the red light light up - KNOCK - then immediately lift the gas and test the alcohol injection before you go further
From the manufaturer's site :
Most modern engines will already have a knock sensor fitted as standard, but any type of knock sensor may be fitted as required. The sensor is normally screwed into a boss on the engine block although some manufacturers fit the sensor in the inlet manifold (especially Ford). In either case, the sensor must be in such a position that block vibrations are coupled to the sensor.
Assuming the engine is operating correctly, the LEDs will show only background noise which will rise in proportion to engine power output. Any abrupt rise in signal level at any time is an indication that detonation is occurring. The immediate remedy is to close the throttle. Severe detonation will destroy any engine in seconds.
Knocking is the self detonation of the unburnt fuel in the combustion chamber toward the end of combustion. The flame burns abound ten times faster than normal causing huge pressures. Possible cures for knocking are: cooler intake air; increased intake humidity; reduce load; increase RPM; enrichen or lean engine from lambda stoichiometric; improve spark; increase octane level of fuel; reduce total ignition advance etc.
• Monitor engine “Noise”.
• Optimise advance.
• Detect Detonation.
• Mechanical or Electronic Ignition.
• Toolbox tool or permanent fit
I can supply these as needed - I always run one on every turbo car I have
Of course there are more costly and fail safe proactive measures available to protect against alcohol kit failure such as :
From a web site on the safeguard:
What is SafeGuard?
The SafeGuard is the only ignition system available with INDIVIDUAL cylinder knock control.....and much more.
The SafeGuard is a fully digital, closed loop, integrated system controlled by a Motorola Micro Processor. The SafeGuard also includes a H/O ignition amplifier and an adjustable velvet touch REV limiter - all in one self contained, compact box.
The knock retard system is beautiful. It has the ability to retard ONLY the offending cylinder(s) that cause the knock. It does not retard the baseline ignition setting on all cylinders. Only the ones that require it. This can add significant torque to an otherwise 'retarded' engine. Limited Dyno tests have shown an improvement of 15%. Actual road tests with different cars have shown a 30% improvement. With individual timing control, you will decrease your fuel consumption, lower engine temperatures and promote engine longevity. The system uses a closed-loop digital circuit, micro-processor control and a custom algorithm to identify and process knock.
The SafeGuard can be triggered by any 'ignition' system. Stock (points), magnetic, reluctor, LED, etc. If needed, it can also drive any 'aftermarket' system, like MSD, Crane, Capacitive Discharge and similar units. We have found, that in most cases, this is not necessary because the SafeGuard has a built in ignition amplifier which and will output 7 amps of current. Compared to G.M.'s H.E.I system the SafeGuard boasts a 62% increase in coil output over the GM HEI system.
Included with the SafeGuard's built in ignition amplifier is a feature called "active dwell control." Active dwell control is a very powerful means to add a significant increase to the output of the coil. With active dwell control the SafeGuard is constantly monitoring the coil output and actively varying the dwell for maximum coil saturation. The MSD does not have active dwell control, nor do most other ignition systems.
The built-in digital REV limiter is 'velvet touch' and is fully adjustable, on the car - you can make changes while the engine is running. No plug-in modules to buy or fall out during use.
The SafeGuard will side-step all the mumbo-jumbo of proper timing, etc. and keep your engine running at perfect performance. It installs simply between the 'points' and the coil. Only four wires to connect the unit: two grounds, one hot lead, the 'points' lead. One wire to connect the input from the knock sensor. That is it. A little of adjusting for sensitivity and you are set. It could not be easier. You will love it.
The SafeGuard is one integrated, fully designed package. You do not need a bunch of 'other' boxes hanging around your engine compartment. And you do not have to worry about 'compatibility' of the boxes interfacing with each other.
The SafeGuard Marine/Racing Kit
Is the SafeGuard expensive? You be the judge. If you add up what you get with the SafeGuard, in one 'box' and compare it to what you would have to spend 'piece meal' on other systems, it looks like this:
Electronic Ignition system: $90 to $195 (depending on the manufacture)
Rev. Limiter: $75 to $110 (some are not adjustable w/o added costs)
Knock retard: $150 to $350 (no other system has cylinder control, and/or are not a closed loop micro-processor controlled)
Total: $315 to $665 (cost of other products to do some of what the Safeguard does)
The investment in a SafeGuard unit is $564.00. Each unit is custom programmed for its specific application. These are built specific for Corvair installation. Please allow 3-4 weeks for building and programming. Satisfaction is fully guaranteed. Units available for other engines; please inquire.
You may also be interested in a monitor display that is available for the SafeGuard. The new 2 1/16" round dual monitor is machined from billet aluminum and black anodized. A Ten segment red LED bargraph display shows amount of retard, and thus gives an quick, visual indication of the engine's tendency to knock at any particular time. The Air / Fuel portion of the display uses 10 LEDs also; 3 Red, 4 Yellow and 3 Green. A great feature of this dual monitor is the dual mode switch. It is the first A/F display available to feature a dual mode switch. This switch, on the front of the display, expands the A/F display along the sweet spot to further enhance the usable display while tuning in critical the power mode.
The monitor is driven by the SafeGuard to which it attaches with a supplied, standard 1/8" jack. A built-in light sensor dims the display automatically at night. To drive the A/F portion of the dual monitor display you will need a standard 02 sensor which is available for your specific application.
Billet Aluminum
Dual Monitor
The dual monitor is what I use when I tune engines. It is such a big help to run the engine, on the road, under load and see just what it is doing. This makes selecting the proper jet sizes for maximum engine performance and economy a 'snap'. I use to spend days tuning a turbo carb, now, a few hours. Both units have a automatic brightness control - adjusts for the ambient light conditions.
The monitor also serve as a diagnostics link with the SafeGuard. During startup the SafeGuard runs an internal diagnostics test and the results codes are displayed on the monitor. This graphically shows that your SafeGuard is properly working and also verifies a working interface between the SafeGuard, Engine and Monitor.
If you would like to order a SafeGuard please contact us so we can discuss your specific application needs to properly build and program your SafeGuard system:
Last edited by DynoFlash; Jan 28, 2005 at 04:47 PM.
Are the kits 499.99$ shipped? And as far as I understand, this kit 'kicks' in as boosts levels reach a certian psi (~20). Correct? Im running a Xede and if I got this kit, do you think I could run the 100 octane map on 76 91 octane?
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Are the kits 499.99$ shipped? And as far as I understand, this kit 'kicks' in as boosts levels reach a certian psi (~20). Correct? Im running a Xede and if I got this kit, do you think I could run the 100 octane map on 76 91 octane?
You can adjust the kick in point to any level - 20 psi is a good starting point or a bit lower and peak pressure at 23. This kit is fully adjustable.
You could esily run the 100 octane map and prob also a C-16 map as well. However you would want to also slightly lean out the mixture as the alcohol is additional fuel and the car will run very rich.
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Originally Posted by Ninj0x
One more thing, is there a particular reason that one one would buy this kit from you instead directly from Buschur?
At this point I really would be just as happy if people buy it from me or Buschur as long as they buy it becuase its a great kit and they are going to love it.
The real undecided factor which I have not figured out yet is how I am going to arrange the flash tuning on this kit. The tuning and the unit go hand in hand and you need both or you will not see any gains.
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Here is the first Alcohol tuned evo with the Dyno Flash - man this is better than nos - (and a lot safer)
Aem Intake, 3" Buschur Turbo Back exhaust, Walbro fuel pump, 264/264 cams
Custom Dyno Flash
Buschur Alcohol injection kit with denatured alcohol
25 psi boost
This car was the most fun to drive evo I have ever driven - it breaks loose the rear in in 1st and 2nd - the power band was very broad
As I predicted the Alcohol is a big winner making MUCH more power than we could even make with C-16 race fuel - I suspect due to the intercooling nature of the alcohol injection
Aem Intake, 3" Buschur Turbo Back exhaust, Walbro fuel pump, 264/264 cams
Custom Dyno Flash
Buschur Alcohol injection kit with denatured alcohol
25 psi boost
This car was the most fun to drive evo I have ever driven - it breaks loose the rear in in 1st and 2nd - the power band was very broad
As I predicted the Alcohol is a big winner making MUCH more power than we could even make with C-16 race fuel - I suspect due to the intercooling nature of the alcohol injection
Where do you tap the alcohol line?
Do you drill a hole in the upper intercooler pipe, so that alcohol will spray in there to cool off the intake temperatures?
How much to fill up the intercooler sprayer resevoir with denatured alcohol?
Does the kit comes with the Klotz Uplon #kl-107? How many quarts do you have to mix?
Do you drill a hole in the upper intercooler pipe, so that alcohol will spray in there to cool off the intake temperatures?
How much to fill up the intercooler sprayer resevoir with denatured alcohol?
Does the kit comes with the Klotz Uplon #kl-107? How many quarts do you have to mix?
How does the unit know when to spray the alcohol? Does it have a sensor that when it hits a certain boost like 10psi it sprays the alcohol?
With a race gas tune, what is the best time to spray the alcohol? at what psi of boost?
Also I have a UTEC, does it hook up with the UTEC? Or is this a true standalone?
Thanks
With a race gas tune, what is the best time to spray the alcohol? at what psi of boost?
Also I have a UTEC, does it hook up with the UTEC? Or is this a true standalone?
Thanks
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Those are awesome numbers. Is this with the stock turbo and stock FMIC?
Stock turbo, stock intercooler, stock intercooler piping.
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Where do you tap the alcohol line?
Do you drill a hole in the upper intercooler pipe, so that alcohol will spray in there to cool off the intake temperatures?
How much to fill up the intercooler sprayer resevoir with denatured alcohol?
Does the kit comes with the Klotz Uplon #kl-107? How many quarts do you have to mix?
Do you drill a hole in the upper intercooler pipe, so that alcohol will spray in there to cool off the intake temperatures?
How much to fill up the intercooler sprayer resevoir with denatured alcohol?
Does the kit comes with the Klotz Uplon #kl-107? How many quarts do you have to mix?
You tap the pipe just before the throttle body. Its probably around $10 to fill up the resevior. Yes it comes with the Klotz Uplon. it's a capfull to a tank of alcohol.



