How much is this muffler?

 

nm its a Test pipe

 

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[I had to add a whole lot of fuel on this particular car from my normal base map so I suspect this muffler is really a big flow gain[/QUOTE]
Thats music to my ears..not that I didnt already know because you can definatly feel the difference between the HKS and the BR..which is simply amazing for just a change in the cat-back..

 

Al - are you going to make a new base flash for the IXs based on a car with this new TBE? Heck, you could call it the Warrtalon flash.

I ask b/c my car and cij911s are both already running lean in the high RPMs and you're saying this exhaust may require more fueling. I definitely want to buy this sucker, but fear the top end leanness might get worse?

Thanks ...

 

I have to respectfully disagree with this ... and I'm curious why you keep making such statements.

Flashes obviously can control boost. EcuTek can do it, and so can Al's Techtom based flashed. There are boost target tables in the ECU that can be modified by a flash, just like there are AFR targets and timing maps.

With the ECU controlling boost:

- it can hold boost to redline just as good if not better than an MBC (Al's own logs here show this), since it can increase solenoid duty cycle as need to reach the target boost
- it can hold the same boost in all gears instead of creeping higher in the higher load gears
- it retains a factory look
- it can adjust to changing atmospheric conditions
- it retains the safeguards built in to the ECU that can potentially save your motor

Al himself has stated:

- that ECU controlling boost is superior to the MBC

- that the IXs may need a EBC to properly control boost (of course the ECU is an EBC)

Also, what about the BR330 and BR350 cars ... are they half way there?

I will agree that the MBC is cheap and reasonably effective. If you want to make a few glory runs on a dyno under controlled conditions, it works well enough and is certainly is the most bang for the buck. However, I would argue that it's the MBC that takes you only half way there if you care about the five points above.

 

^^ +1. I've been saying this for a little while now, but getting shot down. I keep asking why an MBC is needed and I get posts like, are you crazy.

Not every tuner with a flash uses them, so they aren't necessary... just different methods.

 

just curious, but was this with a stock air filter? (not that it would make a huge difference anyways)

 

Of topic Al, but is the Evo IX a good upgrade for our 05's?

 

WORKS air filter -- forgot to mention that.

 

Sorry, josh, but I've never seen a flash be able to control boost like that. I've only seen them be able to raise boost when using boost hose modifications and extra restrictor pills. You quoted Al after _one_ example, and that boost still was not high enough. An MBC is still needed if you want higher-than-stock boost. Saying an MBC is only good for a few glory runs makes no sense whatsoever. Why would you even say that?

 

Pics Of Muffler

 

Are you looking at the same graph that I am? Results from Al's V4 flash controlled boost? Hits right about 21 psi and tapers to right around 19. That is the exact recommended boost for stage 1 mods, is it not? And the taper looks great. Even Dave Buschur comments in that thread about how well the flash holds boost. I'm not sure why you have such blinders on regarding this topic.


Of course most everyone knows that you need to remove/modify the restrictor pill to reach the higher boost targets. But that is such a minor mod compared to completely removing your stock BCS and ECU from the loop and installing an archaic bleeder valve in the engine bay to control boost.



Say huh? I thought 21psi tapering to 19 was ideal for stage one mods? Or is that recommendation changing now for the purpose of this discussion?


False, and proven so with Al's own logs. And of course the multitude of other EcuTek and Techtom flashes that raise boost over stock.

OK, glory run was a bit extreme I admit. What I meant to say is that you may be able to hit the boost you want in one gear, under one set of atmospheric conditions, under one set of load conditions that makes you happy. However, if you want a more refined experience of holding boost the same in every gear (except first/second where load isn't typically high enough), under varying load and atmospheric conditions, while still retaining the factory appearance (we all know MBC in engine bay is the biggest red flag for warranty denial ...) and factory safety measures, then MBC is not the optimal solution. You have not addressed any of those points ...

 

Yes, you are completely nuts. How could possibly disagree with the thought leadership here?!?!

<-- dons his Warrtalon/EvoM/Stage 4 mind control device >

MBC is good, MBC is great. MBC is good, MBC is great.

 

Do you guys think the additional 20-30whp seen from this car compared to your average IX is actually because of this particular exhaust or is his IX is just a more exceptional power example from the factory?? If it is because of the exhaust, would everyone who uses it actually see more than 350whp??