DynoFlash or DynoTrash? You be the judge!
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I run 11s on his flash...i am working on a intake manifold and some tuning on actual race gas and more boost to get me into the lower 11s with a flash. I like the option of flashing....for us lazy people who want to run 11s without much fuss with a stock motor besides cams and head studs its a decent way to go.... me and my buddy that drove the car are by no means RACE CAR drivers the car just runs good.
i have no ties to Al either way . Can't make everyone happy ya know. He works with only so much time when tuning at events....and if the customer gives him the time he needs (going back to other cars with technical problems that get resolved later) i have saw him take care of them. With good comes some bad and for ever 1 made customer he has 10 or more happy ones....thats the way it is... and for me when it was done it was awesome and he complimented me and slickmotorsports on the job we had done with the custom setup.
i have no ties to Al either way . Can't make everyone happy ya know. He works with only so much time when tuning at events....and if the customer gives him the time he needs (going back to other cars with technical problems that get resolved later) i have saw him take care of them. With good comes some bad and for ever 1 made customer he has 10 or more happy ones....thats the way it is... and for me when it was done it was awesome and he complimented me and slickmotorsports on the job we had done with the custom setup.
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Originally Posted by imprezivr6
Next car made around 300whp on pump and 315 or so on 100octane, which too is rather low for a car with cams, and a host of other boltons.. Al' kept blaming everything other then his tuning for the Low power.. He even went so far as to say it was" definetly" the intake the car was running, and the HKS RS would cure that problem..
So I guess that gave me some nice super premium.
Just setting the record straight.
They are just dyno numbers. If I wanted to boost the number I would put on a 3" DP and toss the cat.
Originally Posted by imprezivr6
Just want to start off by saying i dont want this to be a flame fest, what i am writing here is my review of the whole dynoflash operation. I am just typing what i saw with my own eye's and heard with my own ears..
Well Saturday i stopped by Pruven Performance to watch the DynoFlash dyno day. The car that was on the dyno when i got there was Evo8power's car, after hours of "tuning" he walked out of there on his race gas map with 38x whp on race gas.. Hmm not too great for the mods on the car. AL had every excuse in the book why the car would not make power..
Onto the next car a Tarmac Black. After a few pump gas tuning pulls Al comes in the shop with a dyno sheet for the owner of the car, it had made the same power he had made at a previous dyno day with far lesss mods. Al's reasoning was do to the "bov leaking boost" Ok that is fair enough, All of us in the shop told Al we should just swap out the valve since there were a few evos there with better then stock BPV's that were willing to donate one so the guy could get tuned.. Al's responce was lets dump in the c16 and turn up the boost see how that goes.. I immedietly was like" If the stock BPV is leaking at 20 psi on pump why waste $50 in c16 and try to push 25psi out of it?" Al looked at me like i knew nothing and proceeded to dump the gas in the car. After a pull at 25psi with no changes to the flash he comes back with the dynosheet, the car made 2whp less with 5psi more boost.. That is understandable since c16 richens out the car to no end, and the AFR plot on the dyno sheet confirmed this.. BUt for some reason Al made excuses that the C16 was not making the car runs rich(10.0:1 or so) but rather the "air flow sensor metering more air"
No matter how many times we told him that the car was only rich due to the 5gal of c16 he dumped in, he made up excuse after excuse why the car was rich, and pulled it off the dyno.. The owner said "Al didnt the AFR richen due to the C16 you just dumped in?" Al said " c16 leans the car out not richens it" WTF Anyone who knows anything knows c16 richens the **** out of the mixture, and takes a lot more advance and leaner AFR's to even burn properly.. No matter how much concern the owner showed Al, Al just sat there on his computer surfing the net or whatever he was dong and made one excuse after another..
Next car made around 300whp on pump and 315 or so on 100octane, which too is rather low for a car with cams, and a host of other boltons.. Al' kept blaming everything other then his tuning for the Low power.. He even went so far as to say it was" definetly" the intake the car was running, and the HKS RS would cure that problem..
Mean while the guy with the tarmac black was very unhappy Al charged him for the c16 tune and he did no tuning.. Finally Pruven stepped in and took the guys car and found a boost leak off the turbo, where a cap had popped of a vac line.. After numerous attempts for Al to get the car back on the dyno he just blew off the guy and kept telling him later, later...
Onto the next car White Evo, The ONLY car there that was a first time customer, all the rest had been at MANY of al's dyno days. The car had 264/272 cams, IC pipes, Turbo Back exhaust, HKS RS intake, MR BPV,Utec, Fuel Pump, and injectors. THe car was there for a Dynoflash and a c16 tune for the utec.. We watched Al do some pulls and after some faild attempts at loading base maps and hoping they would work he actually got the laptop out, that was the first time i saw him have the laptop in the car all day(more on this later) He began to "tune" After a few pulls the car was making 335whp, hmmm that is weird every other one of his repeat customers isnt making **** for power with the same if not more mods then this car, seems like Al is trying to gain a new customer here and keep the others coming back for retunes.. Then onto the c16 tune for the utec.. For these runs we all walked away since the dyno room was hot as hell, after 10 min and 2 pulls the car was making 360whp on, and they pulled the car off the rollers.. This struck me as very weird on how you can tune a c16 race gas map FROM scratch in 10 min and 2 pulls, it really didnt sit well with me.. After the car got off the rollers Al proceded to say how the guy who did the utec is the "best utec tuner, in the country" and that is why he can tune it so fast. After talking with the owner of the white evo, i remember him saying he had a c16 map he ran at the track antother member gave him, and he went 12.7 or so on it(before the other mods, just exhaust and utec) I said to the owner" well you deleted the Map off the utec before giving them the car right? He looked at me like, OMG and said " i am an idiot i left it on there, and it is labled Evo C16 map 24psi" When we got the car to his house i got out my laptop and pulled up the map they had "made" and the map he had on his PC that he got from the other member, and after comparing them in a program i have there was literally no changes in the entire map! They used HIS map he had gotten for free and charged him for it!!
No it is getting really late, and a few unscheduled Evo's came one being a turbo trix tuned Evo.. Al kept insisting the TT car get on the rollers.. So he did, the car had made around 290-300 at TT, but for some reason he only made 240 Hmm weird, when the owner of the car told Al he was tuned at 20+ psi and was only running 18psi Al said he would adjust the MBC.. Another Pull and the car made another 240whp run.. THe owner told me the car was not hitting over 18psi, hmm funny you would think Al would know how to opperate an MBC huh..
After a few more unscheduled cars went the Owner of the black car really wanted Al to tune his car like he had paid for, and Al refused saying he didnt have time
So he had time to take a car from turbo trix just to PROVE a point and make TT look bad but he didnt have time to fix the customers car who already PAID!
It was a day full of Shadyness, Marketing, BAD excuses, other tuner bad mouthing, Self proclaimed glory, and reasons why no cars made power, except the One new car he had never tuned before.. I even heard Al refer to him self as "the #1 reflash tuner in the US"
The entire day the only time i saw the laptop in the car was the white car, from what i could tell he would do a pull take out the ecu and go into the office where i assume he has a bench flasher and would upload a base map, it seems he would just keep doing this until he found a map that worked.. Doesnt really seem like "tuning" to me.. Unless Al has some sort of logging software in his brain he did no logging.. I can say after the days events that i am SCARED for the people running these reflashes..
In Closing i want to say the employees of pruven were very nice to the crowd the entire time, they awnsered my questions, and were not cocky or arrogant at all unlike the "god of reflashes" They actually found the leak on the car and capped it off, that was very cool of them... They didnt complain about having to stay WAAAY past their closing time and finish what they started, so to them i wanted to say thanks!
Please lets not turn this into a flame war and get this thread closed, i posted this so you guys can form your own opinions of the situation. Like i said i am just posting what I saw with my own eyes.. And all the Al fanboys, please do not chime in here because you guys are too blind to see when someone is bending you over.. I know how dynos work and how easy they are to be manipulated to read LOW or HIGH, which ever the dyno operator wants..
Well Saturday i stopped by Pruven Performance to watch the DynoFlash dyno day. The car that was on the dyno when i got there was Evo8power's car, after hours of "tuning" he walked out of there on his race gas map with 38x whp on race gas.. Hmm not too great for the mods on the car. AL had every excuse in the book why the car would not make power..
Onto the next car a Tarmac Black. After a few pump gas tuning pulls Al comes in the shop with a dyno sheet for the owner of the car, it had made the same power he had made at a previous dyno day with far lesss mods. Al's reasoning was do to the "bov leaking boost" Ok that is fair enough, All of us in the shop told Al we should just swap out the valve since there were a few evos there with better then stock BPV's that were willing to donate one so the guy could get tuned.. Al's responce was lets dump in the c16 and turn up the boost see how that goes.. I immedietly was like" If the stock BPV is leaking at 20 psi on pump why waste $50 in c16 and try to push 25psi out of it?" Al looked at me like i knew nothing and proceeded to dump the gas in the car. After a pull at 25psi with no changes to the flash he comes back with the dynosheet, the car made 2whp less with 5psi more boost.. That is understandable since c16 richens out the car to no end, and the AFR plot on the dyno sheet confirmed this.. BUt for some reason Al made excuses that the C16 was not making the car runs rich(10.0:1 or so) but rather the "air flow sensor metering more air"
No matter how many times we told him that the car was only rich due to the 5gal of c16 he dumped in, he made up excuse after excuse why the car was rich, and pulled it off the dyno.. The owner said "Al didnt the AFR richen due to the C16 you just dumped in?" Al said " c16 leans the car out not richens it" WTF Anyone who knows anything knows c16 richens the **** out of the mixture, and takes a lot more advance and leaner AFR's to even burn properly.. No matter how much concern the owner showed Al, Al just sat there on his computer surfing the net or whatever he was dong and made one excuse after another..Next car made around 300whp on pump and 315 or so on 100octane, which too is rather low for a car with cams, and a host of other boltons.. Al' kept blaming everything other then his tuning for the Low power.. He even went so far as to say it was" definetly" the intake the car was running, and the HKS RS would cure that problem..
Mean while the guy with the tarmac black was very unhappy Al charged him for the c16 tune and he did no tuning.. Finally Pruven stepped in and took the guys car and found a boost leak off the turbo, where a cap had popped of a vac line.. After numerous attempts for Al to get the car back on the dyno he just blew off the guy and kept telling him later, later...
Onto the next car White Evo, The ONLY car there that was a first time customer, all the rest had been at MANY of al's dyno days. The car had 264/272 cams, IC pipes, Turbo Back exhaust, HKS RS intake, MR BPV,Utec, Fuel Pump, and injectors. THe car was there for a Dynoflash and a c16 tune for the utec.. We watched Al do some pulls and after some faild attempts at loading base maps and hoping they would work he actually got the laptop out, that was the first time i saw him have the laptop in the car all day(more on this later) He began to "tune" After a few pulls the car was making 335whp, hmmm that is weird every other one of his repeat customers isnt making **** for power with the same if not more mods then this car, seems like Al is trying to gain a new customer here and keep the others coming back for retunes.. Then onto the c16 tune for the utec.. For these runs we all walked away since the dyno room was hot as hell, after 10 min and 2 pulls the car was making 360whp on, and they pulled the car off the rollers.. This struck me as very weird on how you can tune a c16 race gas map FROM scratch in 10 min and 2 pulls, it really didnt sit well with me.. After the car got off the rollers Al proceded to say how the guy who did the utec is the "best utec tuner, in the country" and that is why he can tune it so fast. After talking with the owner of the white evo, i remember him saying he had a c16 map he ran at the track antother member gave him, and he went 12.7 or so on it(before the other mods, just exhaust and utec) I said to the owner" well you deleted the Map off the utec before giving them the car right? He looked at me like, OMG and said " i am an idiot i left it on there, and it is labled Evo C16 map 24psi" When we got the car to his house i got out my laptop and pulled up the map they had "made" and the map he had on his PC that he got from the other member, and after comparing them in a program i have there was literally no changes in the entire map! They used HIS map he had gotten for free and charged him for it!!
No it is getting really late, and a few unscheduled Evo's came one being a turbo trix tuned Evo.. Al kept insisting the TT car get on the rollers.. So he did, the car had made around 290-300 at TT, but for some reason he only made 240
Hmm weird, when the owner of the car told Al he was tuned at 20+ psi and was only running 18psi Al said he would adjust the MBC.. Another Pull and the car made another 240whp run.. THe owner told me the car was not hitting over 18psi, hmm funny you would think Al would know how to opperate an MBC huh..After a few more unscheduled cars went the Owner of the black car really wanted Al to tune his car like he had paid for, and Al refused saying he didnt have time
So he had time to take a car from turbo trix just to PROVE a point and make TT look bad but he didnt have time to fix the customers car who already PAID!It was a day full of Shadyness, Marketing, BAD excuses, other tuner bad mouthing, Self proclaimed glory, and reasons why no cars made power, except the One new car he had never tuned before.. I even heard Al refer to him self as "the #1 reflash tuner in the US"
The entire day the only time i saw the laptop in the car was the white car, from what i could tell he would do a pull take out the ecu and go into the office where i assume he has a bench flasher and would upload a base map, it seems he would just keep doing this until he found a map that worked.. Doesnt really seem like "tuning" to me.. Unless Al has some sort of logging software in his brain he did no logging.. I can say after the days events that i am SCARED for the people running these reflashes..
In Closing i want to say the employees of pruven were very nice to the crowd the entire time, they awnsered my questions, and were not cocky or arrogant at all unlike the "god of reflashes" They actually found the leak on the car and capped it off, that was very cool of them... They didnt complain about having to stay WAAAY past their closing time and finish what they started, so to them i wanted to say thanks!
Please lets not turn this into a flame war and get this thread closed, i posted this so you guys can form your own opinions of the situation. Like i said i am just posting what I saw with my own eyes.. And all the Al fanboys, please do not chime in here because you guys are too blind to see when someone is bending you over.. I know how dynos work and how easy they are to be manipulated to read LOW or HIGH, which ever the dyno operator wants..
At the outset - let me say this - everyone is entitled to his / her own opinion about anyone. IF you don't like my methods and personality then I would suggest you find a tuner that you are more confortable with.
Some of the observations you make - however - go beyond your opinion about me and my tuning and go in to speculation about my motives and "assumptions" about how I tune. I wanted to set the record straight on these issues as your comments are inaccurate.
First - about so called "DYNO DAYS" Its a great day to get a good deal on a tune - we usually give significant discounts. However, its usually a long stressful, exhuasting day and we can not give most people the normal kind of attention we provide on a regular week day.
With 10 cars scheduled from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. - (we acutally went till after 11:00p.m.) - its a tight schedule and we dont have time to start taking parts of other cars and doing mechanical work on the dyno.
It is true that in many cases our customer's cars have small issues like boost leaks on Rebelzx's car. Obviously - I was able to see, hear and feel that there was a significant boost leak from seeing the reults of the high boost test on race fuel. We took him off the dyno to send him over to a work bay where the techs at Pruven spent over a half hour hooking up pressure testing equipment and finding and fixing the leak.
I asked Rebel to stick around beause if any problems developed in the other cars a spot may open up.
The decision on how late to go with the dyno is up to Pruven and they made the decision to call it a night at 11:00p.m. after 15 hours of dynoing - mostly out of respect for the neigbors.
Of course - as a good customer of ours Rebelzx will get a free re-tune and dyno session when we can come by this week.
It seems in retrospect that your comments you make above about the richness of C-16 and the rest were irelevant as it is clear that I am not going to tune someone with a large boost leak as after it is fixed the tune will be significantly altered.
Also - changing the BOV also clearly would not have corrected the leaking tube.
I am super sorry that I did not take the time to explain to you - the WRX driving spectator at the dyno day my motivations and ideas behind my actions.
Obviously the car owner is satisfied with our decisions (read his post above) even though it was obviously a very frutsrating situation for him.
Regarding your comments about the "next car" that "did not make any power" and I suggested a HKS RS INTAKE - which by the way I do not sell - (just something I have found that frees up an extra 9 - 10 whp and which I recomend to my customers)
I still stand by my comments that this particular customer could benefot from a HKS RS KIT and a full 3 " exhuast with no neck downs. In any event he has a nice looking dyno sheet.
Most of the dyno sheets from the dyno day have been posted on my section of the forums so you can look at them there and draw your own conclusions
Dyno sheets are posted here
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...4&page=1&pp=15
You make the alligation that I somehow gave your buddy with the white car a stronger tune as he was a 1st time customer.
Most of the dyno sheets with a/f's were clearly posted at the dyno for everyone to see.
If you took the time to look you would have seen that ALL the cars had the smiliar a/f targets and similar shaped power bands.
There is no "conspiracy" theory here. Your accusation is totallyw ithout any basis in relaity and is solely based upon conjecture and speculation.
BTW - the reason why we do the tuning corrections in the office on a bench flasher is becuase it is more reliable and secure than flashing in the vehicle where you rely on the vehicle's battery to retain 12 volts.
We get the dyno sheet with a/f print out - listen to the car - examine the changes - re-write the ecu map with indicated changes - reinstall the ecu and then do another run on the dyno. We do this over and over again until we feel that the tune is within our desired paramaters. Whether or not the cpu is in the "office" or in the car - its the same tuning method I employ and the same results.
In the case of your buddy I did it in the car so we did not have to physically remove the Utech hardwear from around the stock ecu to save time.
Here is your buddys finsihed dyno sheet - I think I did a decent job on his car and I did not hear any compliants from him. Considering the high temps - high humidity and lots of accumulated exhuast fumes in the dyno bay his results were amoung the very best that I have seen with similar mods. Its quite ironic and bizzare that after giving you guys a result like this you are now attacking my work - but I guess this is the internet
As for the UTEC race gas tune which was done - I had nothing to do with that. I arranged it with your friend and Pruven and Kenny from Pruven did it for $100. I sawthe ending dyno sheet which was 360 whp and smooth as a lake - almost a stock turbo record at Pruven and on very bad conditions. After speaking with kenny at Pruven - I think you are mistaken about what he did and which map is in the car - but that is not my department as I do not tune utec.
Again - its always good when you tune a car as well as this and then you have someone atacking you and making up stories about manipulation of dynos and giving special numbers to 1st time custmers - all of which is not true.
We tune each and every car to the best of its SAFE performance level.
I would say that in the case of some of our more loyal customers we go to great lengths to try and get thier cars to run as well as possible.
It is pure co-incidence that your buddy's car was one of the strongest we have tuned at Pruven - especially under the temp and humidity conditions. Some are stronger than others. Again - it comes as a complete shock your post here after we really came through with a wonderful tune for your buddy.
I have some theories about your motivations and purpose in doing this - but I will save them for when I see you and tell you to your face.
As for the one yellow evo we pulled in to give him a free pull - he is a moderator at www.evo-ny.com and we repsect that organization so we wanted to welcome him. His boost was low. I got out turned down the manual boost controller all the way and it was still low. I showed the customer his logged OBDII ignition timing and gave him his dyno sheet - end of story. The information obtained is for that person to have - - I am not using it for any other reason. I let the customer sit right next to me in his car when I did the pull to see that it was done accurately.
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Originally Posted by imprezivr6
Yea, sorry it is so long guys. I just wanted to get everything across.. I never felt so mad as when i left there that night..
Originally Posted by imprezivr6
And Wrx's
Hey guys, i was just doing some reading and came across this.. This really shows his arrogance, and lack of work ethic:
Hmm so you just make up a map in your head? An brag about that? I dont want to have my 30k car running on a map you thought of in a dream..
I dont know but i dont care if Jesus Christ himself is tuning my car i do not want some map someone created in his head in 5 min, even if the car ran good, i do not feel that is a good idea.. If tuners could make up maps in their heads in 5 min there would be no need for tuning.. It is bad enough all these 1hr dyno tunes, tuning a safe map that makes power, and is safe in all conditions weither it be from a stop or a 5k rpm roll on takes time.
Dave
Hey guys, i was just doing some reading and came across this.. This really shows his arrogance, and lack of work ethic:
Hmm so you just make up a map in your head? An brag about that? I dont want to have my 30k car running on a map you thought of in a dream..
I dont know but i dont care if Jesus Christ himself is tuning my car i do not want some map someone created in his head in 5 min, even if the car ran good, i do not feel that is a good idea.. If tuners could make up maps in their heads in 5 min there would be no need for tuning.. It is bad enough all these 1hr dyno tunes, tuning a safe map that makes power, and is safe in all conditions weither it be from a stop or a 5k rpm roll on takes time.
Dave
The tune I came up with for him actually worked very well and he went 11.7 in the 1/4 mile with it - which is still the record for the fastest car with a Dyno Flash and stock turbo.
I really do not understand what motivates a hater like yourself who spends to to dig up these old posts and try and spin them in a negative way to attack me.
I still find it funny how these stories of horrible customer service and your attitude keep coming up. It's not a few here and there, but it is becoming several a week. Al, this could be a sign that you need to lighten up with your customers and stop being so harsh with them if you want your business to continue. If potential customers keep reading this they will turn to alternatives.
Instead of blaming their car, why not help them diagnose the problem and then finish the tune. Its kind of silly to complete a tune if a car is not running right then charge them for it.
Instead of blaming their car, why not help them diagnose the problem and then finish the tune. Its kind of silly to complete a tune if a car is not running right then charge them for it.
Originally Posted by plokivos
all shop owners are dicks. F it, i'm gonna open up my own shop and finally treat people right, like family. lol.
I own my own shop and what i notice is that shop owners that are dicks make ALOOOT of $$$ and me since im a nice guy im a broke ***. Think about that 
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Regarding your comments about the "next car" that "did not make any power" and I suggested a HKS RS INTAKE - which by the way I do not sell - (just something I have found that frees up an extra 9 - 10 whp and which I recomend to my customers)
I still stand by my comments that this particular customer could benefot from a HKS RS KIT and a full 3 " exhuast with no neck downs. In any event he has a nice looking dyno sheet.
I still stand by my comments that this particular customer could benefot from a HKS RS KIT and a full 3 " exhuast with no neck downs. In any event he has a nice looking dyno sheet.
Interesting chart. You can actually see the advantage/disadvantage of the smaller HKS DP.
Compare it directly with Erik's in the post.
It spools quicker (advantage), but after 5K the TQ curve drops off because of the more restrictive exhaust (disadvantage).
OnTopic - Also if you look at the charts again, mod for mod Erik's and Mike's cars made the same power.
(For those readers - you can see Mike's mods in the sig; known mod deltas for the other car are - 272Ex cam, 3" DP,
no cat, JIC exhaust, I believe full 3" with no resonator, HKS RC intake.)
TQ was almost identical; HP was same at 5K. Difference in peak HP is understandable.
I mention this in light of the comment that AL made power for Erik because he was a 1st timer,
but didn't do much for his regulars.
Seems that wasn't our case.
Al - don't waste your time with replies.
I will make this comment though - you look burned out. You have been going too hard for too long.
Take a break man - go fishing, play a round a golf; do anything but work on cars for a day.
You need time to recharge. You keep going like this and you won't be able to bring your A-game Sat.
Mike's Dad
Last edited by mikesevo8; Sep 7, 2004 at 07:04 AM.
You are a complete moron.. This is a friend of mine and had bad spark plugs. His car is perfect now; and very fast with the tune. PM him if you don't beleive me. And Al helped him figure out what the problem was!
My car took 3 hours for Al to tune and is perfect (perfect A/F, smooth, and quick). Higher HP and higher 1320 numbers; a complete success!!
There are allways two sides.. beleive what you will. Al is a completely compitent tuner and all I see are the fanboys from other tuners bashing him now. Rediculous.
Oh, BTW, did you know he has a money back garuntee? Why didn't any of these so called horribly tuned cars just ask for their car to be flash back to stock and be gone?? Opinions are like a55holes.. You know the rest!
My car took 3 hours for Al to tune and is perfect (perfect A/F, smooth, and quick). Higher HP and higher 1320 numbers; a complete success!!
There are allways two sides.. beleive what you will. Al is a completely compitent tuner and all I see are the fanboys from other tuners bashing him now. Rediculous.
Oh, BTW, did you know he has a money back garuntee? Why didn't any of these so called horribly tuned cars just ask for their car to be flash back to stock and be gone?? Opinions are like a55holes.. You know the rest!
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WRX Dave - I have to take some time to respond to your comments here
At the outset - let me say this - everyone is entitled to his / her own opinion about anyone. IF you don't like my methods and personality then I would suggest you find a tuner that you are more confortable with.
Some of the observations you make - however - go beyond your opinion about me and my tuning and go in to speculation about my motives and "assumptions" about how I tune. I wanted to set the record straight on these issues as your comments are inaccurate.
First - about so called "DYNO DAYS" Its a great day to get a good deal on a tune - we usually give significant discounts. However, its usually a long stressful, exhuasting day and we can not give most people the normal kind of attention we provide on a regular week day.
With 10 cars scheduled from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. - (we acutally went till after 11:00p.m.) - its a tight schedule and we dont have time to start taking parts of other cars and doing mechanical work on the dyno.
It is true that in many cases our customer's cars have small issues like boost leaks on Rebelzx's car. Obviously - I was able to see, hear and feel that there was a significant boost leak from seeing the reults of the high boost test on race fuel. We took him off the dyno to send him over to a work bay where the techs at Pruven spent over a half hour hooking up pressure testing equipment and finding and fixing the leak.
It seems in retrospect that your comments you make above about the richness of C-16 and the rest were irelevant as it is clear that I am not going to tune someone with a large boost leak as after it is fixed the tune will be significantly altered.
Also - changing the BOV also clearly would not have corrected the leaking tube.
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At the outset - let me say this - everyone is entitled to his / her own opinion about anyone. IF you don't like my methods and personality then I would suggest you find a tuner that you are more confortable with.
Some of the observations you make - however - go beyond your opinion about me and my tuning and go in to speculation about my motives and "assumptions" about how I tune. I wanted to set the record straight on these issues as your comments are inaccurate.
First - about so called "DYNO DAYS" Its a great day to get a good deal on a tune - we usually give significant discounts. However, its usually a long stressful, exhuasting day and we can not give most people the normal kind of attention we provide on a regular week day.
With 10 cars scheduled from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. - (we acutally went till after 11:00p.m.) - its a tight schedule and we dont have time to start taking parts of other cars and doing mechanical work on the dyno.
It is true that in many cases our customer's cars have small issues like boost leaks on Rebelzx's car. Obviously - I was able to see, hear and feel that there was a significant boost leak from seeing the reults of the high boost test on race fuel. We took him off the dyno to send him over to a work bay where the techs at Pruven spent over a half hour hooking up pressure testing equipment and finding and fixing the leak.
It seems in retrospect that your comments you make above about the richness of C-16 and the rest were irelevant as it is clear that I am not going to tune someone with a large boost leak as after it is fixed the tune will be significantly altered.
Also - changing the BOV also clearly would not have corrected the leaking tube.
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Al, the comments regarding c16 are irelevant? So you dumping in $50 worth of c16 in after the car had an OBVIOUS boost leak was smart? Then blaming the richness on everything other then the fact you dumped in c16 with out making any changes to the fuel map?, then went so far as to say "c16 does not richen out the mixture it LEANS it out" That shows you A; Know nothing, or B: are trying to hope the customer knows nothing..
You are right the bov would not have solved it, but if you would have looked in the engine bay for one min you would have found the leak. It doesnt take a 30 min boost test to find a leak like that, it was a hose connected to nothing..
Dont give me that Dyno day BS! That is why you DO NOT pack them so full, give yourself some room to deviate from the original sched. I have set up many dyno days where i fly out a tuner for tuning and all have went off without a hitch, WHy? Because i dont try and tune 10 cars in an 8 hour day
Also there was not 10 cars there Al so pleasr do not make it seem like you were rushed.. There was lke 8-10 originally signed up but like 4-5 showed up.MikesEvo8- You are hopeless man.. How many dyno days have you attended with Al? You guys think throwing all this money at your car and at Al is going to make it fast? I sat right next to you, did you not say"Man now i gotta get that intake, and change my cam combo"? Yup you did, and then what? When you change it Big Al is there to give ya yet another retune.
It sucks that it takes an outsider to come and see what is going on. I know it is hard to except when someone has bad intentions when dealing with your car, but how many times can you go back for more? At some point you need to wake the hell up and see the situation for what it is..
It is funny, Al's biggest advocate Evo8power finally saw the true Al, how many reflashes did it take him? 5, 10? Maby one day you guys will wake up.
Like i said take my info or leave it i do not care, i am just posting what i saw to help you guys out. If you are going to let Al sweet talk you all day, then fine but think of who has something to gain by this and who doesnt..
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Originally Posted by Eric Lyublinsky
was the white car a guys named Melo?? Looked to be lowered with Virgina Plates?
!! No the white car was Eriks car..Dave-
Originally Posted by imprezivr6
Erik, whats up man, this is dave with the yellow wrx !! No the white car was Eriks car..
Dave-
!! No the white car was Eriks car..Dave-
Hey Dave did not relize it was you.
Small world . I still have your injectos Dave's car does make the power he claims and I would hate to get into a highway race with him because he would hand me my ***.
BTW man don't bother replying to posts. It's all misdirection and smoke.
Are you going to be a SUBARU VS EVOS on the 11th?? I'm sure I can find some to meet you up and give you the pump and injectors???? email me.