DynoFlash or DynoTrash? You be the judge!
Originally Posted by Eric Lyublinsky
Hey Dave did not relize it was you. 
Small world 
. I still have your injectos 
Dave's car does make the power he claims and I would hate to get into a highway race with him because he would hand me my ***.
BTW man don't bother replying to posts. It's all misdirection and smoke.
Are you going to be a SUBARU VS EVOS on the 11th?? I'm sure I can find some to meet you up and give you the pump and injectors???? email me.
Small world . I still have your injectos Dave's car does make the power he claims and I would hate to get into a highway race with him because he would hand me my ***.
BTW man don't bother replying to posts. It's all misdirection and smoke.
Are you going to be a SUBARU VS EVOS on the 11th?? I'm sure I can find some to meet you up and give you the pump and injectors???? email me.
Originally Posted by imprezivr6
Al, the comments regarding c16 are irelevant? So you dumping in $50 worth of c16 in after the car had an OBVIOUS boost leak was smart? Then blaming the richness on everything other then the fact you dumped in c16 with out making any changes to the fuel map?, then went so far as to say "c16 does not richen out the mixture it LEANS it out" That shows you A; Know nothing, or B: are trying to hope the customer knows nothing..
You are right the bov would not have solved it, but if you would have looked in the engine bay for one min you would have found the leak. It doesnt take a 30 min boost test to find a leak like that, it was a hose connected to nothing..
Dont give me that Dyno day BS! That is why you DO NOT pack them so full, give yourself some room to deviate from the original sched. I have set up many dyno days where i fly out a tuner for tuning and all have went off without a hitch, WHy? Because i dont try and tune 10 cars in an 8 hour day
Also there was not 10 cars there Al so pleasr do not make it seem like you were rushed.. There was lke 8-10 originally signed up but like 4-5 showed up.
MikesEvo8- You are hopeless man.. How many dyno days have you attended with Al? You guys think throwing all this money at your car and at Al is going to make it fast? I sat right next to you, did you not say"Man now i gotta get that intake, and change my cam combo"? Yup you did, and then what? When you change it Big Al is there to give ya yet another retune.
It sucks that it takes an outsider to come and see what is going on. I know it is hard to except when someone has bad intentions when dealing with your car, but how many times can you go back for more? At some point you need to wake the hell up and see the situation for what it is..
It is funny, Al's biggest advocate Evo8power finally saw the true Al, how many reflashes did it take him? 5, 10? Maby one day you guys will wake up.
Like i said take my info or leave it i do not care, i am just posting what i saw to help you guys out. If you are going to let Al sweet talk you all day, then fine but think of who has something to gain by this and who doesnt..
Later-
Dave
You are right the bov would not have solved it, but if you would have looked in the engine bay for one min you would have found the leak. It doesnt take a 30 min boost test to find a leak like that, it was a hose connected to nothing..
Dont give me that Dyno day BS! That is why you DO NOT pack them so full, give yourself some room to deviate from the original sched. I have set up many dyno days where i fly out a tuner for tuning and all have went off without a hitch, WHy? Because i dont try and tune 10 cars in an 8 hour day
Also there was not 10 cars there Al so pleasr do not make it seem like you were rushed.. There was lke 8-10 originally signed up but like 4-5 showed up.MikesEvo8- You are hopeless man.. How many dyno days have you attended with Al? You guys think throwing all this money at your car and at Al is going to make it fast? I sat right next to you, did you not say"Man now i gotta get that intake, and change my cam combo"? Yup you did, and then what? When you change it Big Al is there to give ya yet another retune.
It sucks that it takes an outsider to come and see what is going on. I know it is hard to except when someone has bad intentions when dealing with your car, but how many times can you go back for more? At some point you need to wake the hell up and see the situation for what it is..
It is funny, Al's biggest advocate Evo8power finally saw the true Al, how many reflashes did it take him? 5, 10? Maby one day you guys will wake up.
Like i said take my info or leave it i do not care, i am just posting what i saw to help you guys out. If you are going to let Al sweet talk you all day, then fine but think of who has something to gain by this and who doesnt..
Later-
Dave
The concept of this dyno day was to offer to help some of my good customers a chance to get ready for the race next week. We ofered a FREE race gas tune and a tune back to pump gas along with the regular custom re tuning session - and all at a reduced price of $275 with the dyno time included.
We tuned a total of exactly 10 cars - AND the yellow one we just did two pulls on.
We started the night before with the 1st car which had been dropped off - and continued with Memo from DC at 8:00 sharp.
We had already done at least 4 or 5 cars by the time you guys showed up.
Obviously our goal was to make as much power as possible for all ours customers - most of whom were going to the race next weekend - which was the entire idea behind the dyno day. I like to see my customers get great drag times so that is why I set this day up.
When we see a car with boost leaks - we do a presurization test on the charging system to find ALL the leaks and fix them in one shot. After a lot of watsed time playing around we have found this is the most expedient manner to resolve cars with boost leaks. We have seen some cars with multiple leaks. After going through nightmare situations that grow into hours of work we have learned its better to take the car off the dyno and continue with other cars if we are in the middle of a dyno day. Thats is how we have decdied to run our business.
If you go about repairing and tuning cars in a different manner then that is your business - I have no time to second guess your approach.
As for what we do or don't do doing a so called "dyno day" - we have found from past experience that other customers waiting for their scheduled appointments generally do not like having to wait around while we start taking apart cars on a dyno and fixing mechanical issues. Generally - we like to see cars with no mechanical issues on tuning days and just tune them. If there are mechanical issues - we try to identify them and make provisions to resolve them. Obviously - the issues with the black car of Rebelzx had nothing to do with me as someone else did his install work and yet I am still willing to go back to Pruven on yet another day and give him a free of charge re-tune.
When I am done with reblzx's car is going to run good - we are going to take our time with it and its going to run safe and reliable.
I don't concur with your ideas of rushing about swapping bov's from cars in the parking lot and trying to fix boost leaks in one minute without testing - to each his own.
I told the dyno operator to put in the race gas - about 2.5 gallons - to raise the effective octane level and provide a saftey net so we could test it at higher boost and watch the boost gauge. It was a diagnostic test which told me there was a boost leak based upon the dyno sheet. You see if the power was normal and then dropped down fast - thats a bov leaking off. If the whole curve is weak and low with higher boost - then there is too much back pressure from a boost leak. In this case - both conditions were going on. The a/f ratio was irrelevant to me as we were looking at the trq and whp curves and listening to the car to see about the boost leak - NOT tuning it at that point. Yes the a/f ratio changed - but that had more to do with the incresaed load - boost raised by 4 psi - than the 2.5 gallons of race fel mixed in with his pump gas.
Its quite bizzare that Dave here has steped up to the the internet bouncer to lay down the law on how I should run my business and conduct my dyno days. Its ridicuolus that even the customers with the "issues " that Dave has identified have posted here that they have no problems with the manner in which I provided service.
Reading some of the new posts on this thread - its is becomming apparant that Dave is in fact quite friendly with Eric L and other known Vishnu and Turbo Trix loyalists - which may both explain his view of my tuning methods and also dismiss he claims of lack of bias.
Dave - I know you are envious of my Evo. You are envious of my job. You think you can do a better job than me. You think you are a better tuner than me. Please - go open your own shop and do your own tuning. You wont find me comming to your shop and bashing you on the internet second guessing your methods and ideas.
Remember - there is more than one way to approach a tuning situation. There are reasons why we do certain things.
IF our customers are not happy with the results - we simply DON'T charge them and flash them back to stock on the spot. We show them the dyno sheets, take them on a road test - then let them go for a test drive. If there is any problems - THEN is the time to discuss them with me and we can work it out.
Obviously - your buddy whos car you worked on got a very decent tune for his $375 for the full custom tune with dyno time (special dyno day rate $125 off)
In conclusion Dave - I am very pleased to here you will be attending the race I am co-sponsoring this weekend. I hope that I can meet you on the track and show you a think or two about slowbarus.
Last edited by DynoFlash; Sep 7, 2004 at 08:19 AM.
So, did I miss it and did any of the owners post their dissatisfaction with their results this past weekend, or is it just some guy who was there who is dissatisfied? From what I can tell, non of the paying customers who were present have voiced any concern. Maybe I just can't read?
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Its amazing when you view things with the jealous, evious eyes of a hater how distorted a view of reality you can get.
The concept of this dyno day was to offer to help some of my good customers a chance to get ready for the race next week. We ofered a FREE race gas tune and a tune back to pump gas along with the regular custom re tuning session - and all at a reduced price of $275 with the dyno time included.
We tuned a total of exactly 10 cars - AND the yellow one we just did two pulls on.
We started the night before with the 1st car which had been dropped off - and continued with Memo from DC at 8:00 sharp.
We had already done at least 4 or 5 cars by the time you guys showed up.
Obviously our goal was to make as much power as possible for all ours customers - most of whom were going to the race next weekend - which was the entire idea behind the dyno day. I like to see my customers get great drag times so that is why I set this day up.
When we see a car with boost leaks - we do a presurization test on the charging system to find ALL the leaks and fix them in one shot. After a lot of watsed time playing around we have found this is the most expedient manner to resolve cars with boost leaks. We have seen some cars with multiple leaks. After going through nightmare situations that grow into hours of work we have learned its better to take the car off the dyno and continue with other cars if we are in the middle of a dyno day. Thats is how we have decdied to run our business.
If you go about repairing and tuning cars in a different manner then that is your business - I have no time to second guess your approach.
As for what we do or don't do doing a so called "dyno day" - we have found from past experience that other customers waiting for their scheduled appointments generally do not like having to wait around while we start taking apart cars on a dyno and fixing mechanical issues. Generally - we like to see cars with no mechanical issues on tuning days and just tune them. If there are mechanical issues - we try to identify them and make provisions to resolve them. Obviously - the issues with the black car of Rebelzx had nothing to do with me as someone else did his install work and yet I am still willing to go back to Pruven on yet another day and give him a free of charge re-tune.
When I am done with reblzx's car is going to run good - we are going to take our time with it and its going to run safe and reliable.
I don't concur with your ideas of rushing about swapping bov's from cars in the parking lot and trying to fix boost leaks in one minute without testing - to each his own.
I told the dyno operator to put in the race gas - about 2.5 gallons - to raise the effective octane level and provide a saftey net so we could test it at higher boost and watch the boost gauge. It was a diagnostic test which told me there was a boost leak based upon the dyno sheet. You see if the power was normal and then dropped down fast - thats a bov leaking off. If the whole curve is weak and low with higher boost - then there is too much back pressure from a boost leak. In this case - both conditions were going on.
Its quite bizzare that Dave here has steped up to the the internet bouncer to lay down the law on how I should run my business and conduct my dyno days. Its ridicuolus that even the customers with the "issues " that Dave has identified have posted here that they have no problems with the manner in which I provided service.
Dave - I know you are envious of my Evo. You are envious of my job. You think you can do a better job than me. You think you are a better tuner than me. Please - go open your own shop and do your own tuning. You wont find me comming to your shop and bashing you on the internet second guessing your methods and ideas.
Remember - there is more than one way to approach a tuning situation. There are reasons why we do certain things.
IF our customers are not happy with the results - we simply DON'T charge them and flash them back to stock on the spot. We show them the dyno sheets, take them on a road test - then let them go for a test drive. If there is any problems - THEN is the time to discuss them with me and we can work it out.
Obviously - your buddy whos car you worked on got a very decent tune for his $375 for the full custom tune with dyno time (special dyno day rate $125 off)
The concept of this dyno day was to offer to help some of my good customers a chance to get ready for the race next week. We ofered a FREE race gas tune and a tune back to pump gas along with the regular custom re tuning session - and all at a reduced price of $275 with the dyno time included.
We tuned a total of exactly 10 cars - AND the yellow one we just did two pulls on.
We started the night before with the 1st car which had been dropped off - and continued with Memo from DC at 8:00 sharp.
We had already done at least 4 or 5 cars by the time you guys showed up.
Obviously our goal was to make as much power as possible for all ours customers - most of whom were going to the race next weekend - which was the entire idea behind the dyno day. I like to see my customers get great drag times so that is why I set this day up.
When we see a car with boost leaks - we do a presurization test on the charging system to find ALL the leaks and fix them in one shot. After a lot of watsed time playing around we have found this is the most expedient manner to resolve cars with boost leaks. We have seen some cars with multiple leaks. After going through nightmare situations that grow into hours of work we have learned its better to take the car off the dyno and continue with other cars if we are in the middle of a dyno day. Thats is how we have decdied to run our business.
If you go about repairing and tuning cars in a different manner then that is your business - I have no time to second guess your approach.
As for what we do or don't do doing a so called "dyno day" - we have found from past experience that other customers waiting for their scheduled appointments generally do not like having to wait around while we start taking apart cars on a dyno and fixing mechanical issues. Generally - we like to see cars with no mechanical issues on tuning days and just tune them. If there are mechanical issues - we try to identify them and make provisions to resolve them. Obviously - the issues with the black car of Rebelzx had nothing to do with me as someone else did his install work and yet I am still willing to go back to Pruven on yet another day and give him a free of charge re-tune.
When I am done with reblzx's car is going to run good - we are going to take our time with it and its going to run safe and reliable.
I don't concur with your ideas of rushing about swapping bov's from cars in the parking lot and trying to fix boost leaks in one minute without testing - to each his own.
I told the dyno operator to put in the race gas - about 2.5 gallons - to raise the effective octane level and provide a saftey net so we could test it at higher boost and watch the boost gauge. It was a diagnostic test which told me there was a boost leak based upon the dyno sheet. You see if the power was normal and then dropped down fast - thats a bov leaking off. If the whole curve is weak and low with higher boost - then there is too much back pressure from a boost leak. In this case - both conditions were going on.
Its quite bizzare that Dave here has steped up to the the internet bouncer to lay down the law on how I should run my business and conduct my dyno days. Its ridicuolus that even the customers with the "issues " that Dave has identified have posted here that they have no problems with the manner in which I provided service.
Dave - I know you are envious of my Evo. You are envious of my job. You think you can do a better job than me. You think you are a better tuner than me. Please - go open your own shop and do your own tuning. You wont find me comming to your shop and bashing you on the internet second guessing your methods and ideas.
Remember - there is more than one way to approach a tuning situation. There are reasons why we do certain things.
IF our customers are not happy with the results - we simply DON'T charge them and flash them back to stock on the spot. We show them the dyno sheets, take them on a road test - then let them go for a test drive. If there is any problems - THEN is the time to discuss them with me and we can work it out.
Obviously - your buddy whos car you worked on got a very decent tune for his $375 for the full custom tune with dyno time (special dyno day rate $125 off)
Me envious of you, jelous of your evo? Nope sorry, i am not.. I an not jealous of any fast car Al because as i said before i love fast cars no matter what they are because i am not an ignorant child like you...Sweet talk your way as best as you can, but You and I both know what is going on Al, and dont bring Pruven into this becasue in my first post i said they were very helpful the entrie time..
I cant believe we keep going back to the race gas thing. Al what part of IT LEAKED ON PUMP IT WILL LEAK ON RACE do you not understand.. You have more money than brains that is a given..
I am sorry that you can brainwash these people into spending their hard earned money OVER and OVER again and they just eat it up and love you. But keep up your shady business practices and your BS base map loading "custom" tunes and it will come back to bite you in the *** believe me..
Any way, i was not going to bring my car this saturday but Set me up with ANY car you tuned saturday while i was there and i will line up with it heads up at etown the 11th, Mikesevo8? Erik?
Do not try to turn this around on me because until Saturday i had no reason to dislike you, but after saturday you are the lowest form of life in my book, i should have expected that anyway since you were previously a lawyer..
It is funny i did not get personal and attack you, but you had to bring it there because you know i am right and that is the only way you can get out of this..
Pretty funny when the guys you work with at pruven refer to your product as the "dyno flush" and laugh at the thought of you tuning a car..
And please explain again how you tune without logging?
Originally Posted by imprezivr6
Al first off please to not patronize me with the "wrx driver comments" Because i do not need to be talked down to by you. You are lucky i am a nice guy and did not post what you said about Mark from turbo trix,etc, i left that out because it is irrelevant to the problem here.. You went as far as to tell Erik "no way his subaru made 404whp" Man that is ignorance..
Al, the comments regarding c16 are irelevant? So you dumping in $50 worth of c16 in after the car had an OBVIOUS boost leak was smart? Then blaming the richness on everything other then the fact you dumped in c16 with out making any changes to the fuel map?, then went so far as to say "c16 does not richen out the mixture it LEANS it out" That shows you A; Know nothing, or B: are trying to hope the customer knows nothing..
You are right the bov would not have solved it, but if you would have looked in the engine bay for one min you would have found the leak. It doesnt take a 30 min boost test to find a leak like that, it was a hose connected to nothing..
Dont give me that Dyno day BS! That is why you DO NOT pack them so full, give yourself some room to deviate from the original sched. I have set up many dyno days where i fly out a tuner for tuning and all have went off without a hitch, WHy? Because i dont try and tune 10 cars in an 8 hour day Also there was not 10 cars there Al so pleasr do not make it seem like you were rushed.. There was lke 8-10 originally signed up but like 4-5 showed up.
MikesEvo8- You are hopeless man.. How many dyno days have you attended with Al? You guys think throwing all this money at your car and at Al is going to make it fast? I sat right next to you, did you not say"Man now i gotta get that intake, and change my cam combo"? Yup you did, and then what? When you change it Big Al is there to give ya yet another retune.
It sucks that it takes an outsider to come and see what is going on. I know it is hard to except when someone has bad intentions when dealing with your car, but how many times can you go back for more? At some point you need to wake the hell up and see the situation for what it is..
It is funny, Al's biggest advocate Evo8power finally saw the true Al, how many reflashes did it take him? 5, 10? Maby one day you guys will wake up.
Like i said take my info or leave it i do not care, i am just posting what i saw to help you guys out. If you are going to let Al sweet talk you all day, then fine but think of who has something to gain by this and who doesnt..
Later-
Dave
Al, the comments regarding c16 are irelevant? So you dumping in $50 worth of c16 in after the car had an OBVIOUS boost leak was smart? Then blaming the richness on everything other then the fact you dumped in c16 with out making any changes to the fuel map?, then went so far as to say "c16 does not richen out the mixture it LEANS it out" That shows you A; Know nothing, or B: are trying to hope the customer knows nothing..
You are right the bov would not have solved it, but if you would have looked in the engine bay for one min you would have found the leak. It doesnt take a 30 min boost test to find a leak like that, it was a hose connected to nothing..
Dont give me that Dyno day BS! That is why you DO NOT pack them so full, give yourself some room to deviate from the original sched. I have set up many dyno days where i fly out a tuner for tuning and all have went off without a hitch, WHy? Because i dont try and tune 10 cars in an 8 hour day
Also there was not 10 cars there Al so pleasr do not make it seem like you were rushed.. There was lke 8-10 originally signed up but like 4-5 showed up.MikesEvo8- You are hopeless man.. How many dyno days have you attended with Al? You guys think throwing all this money at your car and at Al is going to make it fast? I sat right next to you, did you not say"Man now i gotta get that intake, and change my cam combo"? Yup you did, and then what? When you change it Big Al is there to give ya yet another retune.
It sucks that it takes an outsider to come and see what is going on. I know it is hard to except when someone has bad intentions when dealing with your car, but how many times can you go back for more? At some point you need to wake the hell up and see the situation for what it is..
It is funny, Al's biggest advocate Evo8power finally saw the true Al, how many reflashes did it take him? 5, 10? Maby one day you guys will wake up.
Like i said take my info or leave it i do not care, i am just posting what i saw to help you guys out. If you are going to let Al sweet talk you all day, then fine but think of who has something to gain by this and who doesnt..
Later-
Dave
Dave we all welcome you to EVOm forums. We are glad and happy that a subby owner is looking out for us (you are making me love subarus more now
) again I see the truth in your words as AGAIN the same happened to me.Mhyar
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Originally Posted by UFO
So, did I miss it and did any of the owners post their dissatisfaction with their results this past weekend, or is it just some guy who was there who is dissatisfied? From what I can tell, non of the paying customers who were present have voiced any concern. Maybe I just can't read?
I am not sure you fully understand what is going on here, so i would read through it again..
Like i said take it or leave it, it is your money..
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Its amazing when you view things with the jealous, evious eyes of a hater how distorted a view of reality you can get.
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Originally Posted by imprezivr6
MikesEvo8- You are hopeless man..
As Joel would say - you need reading comprehension.Show some respect for your elders.
This is Mike's dad. I too was there sitting through the tunes.
Originally Posted by imprezivr6
How many dyno days have you attended with Al?
Originally Posted by imprezivr6
You guys think throwing all this money at your car and at Al is going to make it fast?
Originally Posted by imprezivr6
I sat right next to you, did you not say"Man now i gotta get that intake, and change my cam combo"?
Also, Mike wanted the HKS RS, but I talked him into the less expensive AEM. My bad.
I assume that you inferring that Mike make lousy HP considering his mods.
By extension you must think Erik makes lousy HP, as the gains are comparable given the mods.
Unless you have some compelling data to refute my above post.
Does Erik know how you feel ??
Mike understands why he is "down" on power. It's a conscious choice given how he uses the car,
and also where we live and avoiding problems with the troopers.
Oddly, I do not disagree with the factual part of your narrative. It went down just about like you said.
I only disagree where you decide to fill in some of the back story where you guess at intentions.
Originally Posted by imprezivr6
Dave
imprezivr6, I just did some research and can't find anywhere that says C16 will make the car run rich!! In fact, everything I'm finding says it will LEAN out the engine; as Al stated.
Can you point me to some information that states C16 will make the car run RICH?
I'll keep digging on my own in the meantime.. Thanks
Can you point me to some information that states C16 will make the car run RICH?
I'll keep digging on my own in the meantime.. Thanks
Originally Posted by imprezivr6
Evo8power did then he was banned.. Erik and Rebelzx both have ongoing problems with Al and really are holding off posting about any dealings with him until they are resolved. I respect their decision to do so. The other owners are still in brainwash mode and mabey when they snap out of it they can dig up this thread and post..
I am not sure you fully understand what is going on here, so i would read through it again..
Like i said take it or leave it, it is your money..
I am not sure you fully understand what is going on here, so i would read through it again..
Like i said take it or leave it, it is your money..
It is my money, you're right. Ask Al how much of that money he's seen from me. Don't confuse me as an Al supporter; I'm just someone who likes to see everyone get a fair shake of the stick (unless your name's Shiv
).
Originally Posted by UFO
So, these people were all present at this past dyno day? The one you are posting about? I do fully understand what's going on. It seems that you're posting your opinion of what happened and 2 of the owners who you claimed to be taking up for came and posted conflicting stories. I'd rather get the info from the horse's mouth than a bystander.
It is my money, you're right. Ask Al how much of that money he's seen from me. Don't confuse me as an Al supporter; I'm just someone who likes to see everyone get a fair shake of the stick (unless your name's Shiv ).
It is my money, you're right. Ask Al how much of that money he's seen from me. Don't confuse me as an Al supporter; I'm just someone who likes to see everyone get a fair shake of the stick (unless your name's Shiv
).another Child post by UFO, or UFFFFOOOO?? as was said above you are in the sleep mode now about dynoflush keep throwing your money on
