Notices
E85 / Ethanol This section is dedicated to tuning with ethanol.

E85 tuning notes

Old Jan 14, 2009 | 12:32 PM
  #121  
dbsears's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (37)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,806
Likes: 2
From: Seattle, WA
So this fixed your high RPM cold start? Anytime under 50 degrees mine does this and it will hang there for a minute (Defroster on makes the RPM raise to like 2100rpm). I would like to take mine down to about 1300-1400rpm.
Reply
Old Jan 14, 2009 | 12:39 PM
  #122  
fixem2's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 929
Likes: 0
From: USA
To clarify, add value to the latency or remove to richen up? Sorry, just been awhile since I worked with them.
Reply
Old Jan 14, 2009 | 12:48 PM
  #123  
leecavturbo's Avatar
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,392
Likes: 2
From: uk
Originally Posted by dbsears
So this fixed your high RPM cold start? Anytime under 50 degrees mine does this and it will hang there for a minute (Defroster on makes the RPM raise to like 2100rpm). I would like to take mine down to about 1300-1400rpm.
yep happy days

now that i think about it after mrfred said that iscv table was incorrect i did adjust that first as a trial (over 2 weeks)
and when i lowered the step position i'm sure idle changed however after a week it went back to high idle so wether some table learns and changes i don't know but for sure with both tables lowered as i have shown them my idle is 1300max.
nothing else was adjusted whatsoever.
i even left the car for 2 days to make sure it was stone cold and its perfectly how i want it now.

Last edited by leecavturbo; Jan 14, 2009 at 12:58 PM.
Reply
Old Jan 14, 2009 | 01:31 PM
  #124  
mrfred's Avatar
Thread Starter
EvoM Guru
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,675
Likes: 132
From: Tri-Cities, WA // Portland, OR
Originally Posted by leecavturbo
any feedback? this definately worked for me.
and has been for 3months ish.
Those tables you changed are neither idle nor stepper values. Changing those tables will however raise or lower the calculated value for the vertical axis of the big stepper table. That means you are indirectly changing the initial stepper value by affecting which cell in the big table gets choosen. Its not the way to do it, but its working for you so no problem. My thought is that it would be better to directly change the values in the big stepper table, but did you just say that you tried changing the stepper value in the big stepper table with no long term reduction in startup idle??
Reply
Old Jan 14, 2009 | 01:47 PM
  #125  
leecavturbo's Avatar
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,392
Likes: 2
From: uk
Originally Posted by mrfred
Those tables you changed are neither idle nor stepper values. Changing those tables will however raise or lower the calculated value for the vertical axis of the big stepper table. That means you are indirectly changing the initial stepper value by affecting which cell in the big table gets choosen. Its not the way to do it, but its working for you so no problem. My thought is that it would be better to directly change the values in the big stepper table, but did you just say that you tried changing the stepper value in the big stepper table with no long term reduction in startup idle??
no i never changed anything in the "table".
when i changed iscv step it worked for a day or 2 then back to normal.
then i adjusted rpm leaving step where i set it and idle has now stayed low
Reply
Old Jan 14, 2009 | 02:19 PM
  #126  
mrfred's Avatar
Thread Starter
EvoM Guru
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,675
Likes: 132
From: Tri-Cities, WA // Portland, OR
Originally Posted by leecavturbo
no i never changed anything in the "table".
when i changed iscv step it worked for a day or 2 then back to normal.
then i adjusted rpm leaving step where i set it and idle has now stayed low
If you've got time, try putting the stock values back in the tables that you changed, and then alter the values in big ISCV table.
Reply
Old Jan 14, 2009 | 03:07 PM
  #127  
leecavturbo's Avatar
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,392
Likes: 2
From: uk
Originally Posted by mrfred
If you've got time, try putting the stock values back in the tables that you changed, and then alter the values in big ISCV table.
i'll give it ago
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 11:59 AM
  #128  
leecavturbo's Avatar
Evolved Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,392
Likes: 2
From: uk
how do i set my tune to compensate various e85 ethanol levels?
i.e mixing with whats left in the tank of regular gas will not always be the same mix ratio's and/or different meth levels of e85 from different pump stations ?
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 12:23 PM
  #129  
mrfred's Avatar
Thread Starter
EvoM Guru
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,675
Likes: 132
From: Tri-Cities, WA // Portland, OR
Originally Posted by leecavturbo
how do i set my tune to compensate various e85 ethanol levels?
i.e mixing with whats left in the tank of regular gas will not always be the same mix ratio's and/or different meth levels of e85 from different pump stations ?
There's no automated way to do it yet. You'll just have to tune for it if you are going to drive the car hard with a particular ethanol content.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 12:49 PM
  #130  
l2r99gst's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,499
Likes: 4
From: CA
mrfred, are you or tephra or anyone else working on possibly creating a flex-fuel option for our ECUs with the GM sensor?

If so, any possible timeframe predictions?
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 01:15 PM
  #131  
mrfred's Avatar
Thread Starter
EvoM Guru
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,675
Likes: 132
From: Tri-Cities, WA // Portland, OR
Originally Posted by l2r99gst
mrfred, are you or tephra or anyone else working on possibly creating a flex-fuel option for our ECUs with the GM sensor?

If so, any possible timeframe predictions?
I'd been planning to do it, but got diverted doing some Evo 10 disassem. I'll probably work on Evo 10 disassem a little longer, and then get busy on the flex-fuel patch.
Reply
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 06:52 PM
  #132  
oldevodude's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 579
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by mrfred
I'd been planning to do it, but got diverted doing some Evo 10 disassem. I'll probably work on Evo 10 disassem a little longer, and then get busy on the flex-fuel patch.
This is great news yet again. Thaks Mr. Fred. Your work is definitely appreciated.....

especially when I hit the gas pedal
Reply
Old Jan 25, 2009 | 10:14 PM
  #133  
Wicked E's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (26)
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,989
Likes: 0
From: Colorado Springs, CO
Originally Posted by mrfred
No misfires with the stock Evo IX plugs.

I think there a few things that can be done now to help with cold start:

1) Try increasing the startup enrichment values.

2) Try disabling the warmup ignition retard routine (set periphery0 bit9 = 0, or if you do not have the new periphery bit definitions for ECUFlash, change periphery0 from 0x56DA to 0x54DA).
Did you find out if the above mentioned bolded item helped at all?

-E
Reply
Old Jan 25, 2009 | 11:15 PM
  #134  
oldevodude's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 579
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Wicked E
Did you find out if the above mentioned bolded item helped at all?

-E
This helped a lot on my car although did not completely get rid of cold drivability issues. even stock my car never liked the cold.
Reply
Old Mar 30, 2009 | 11:39 AM
  #135  
mrfred's Avatar
Thread Starter
EvoM Guru
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,675
Likes: 132
From: Tri-Cities, WA // Portland, OR
Here's a link to another thread I started that's related to E85 tuning:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/al...afr-ack-3.html
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:38 PM.