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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:00 PM
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Roger that.

Just to verify.. my timing should be fairly safe to leave alone for now right?

Can't wait to get home and start on this. I have my ecuflash cable in the car but I don't have my serial adapter for the zt2. I could monitor the LCD but it's hard to keep an eye on and drive the car.

Edit: I guess I could start working on the map and post it up... gimme a few mins
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:27 PM
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Fuel map lowered .3 as suggested... Still trying to figure out how I change the injector scaling to 720.



Look about right?
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:32 PM
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my friends tune with 20g, 680cc injectors, 264 cams, fmic with piping, buschur intake, 255lph

http://www.mecah.com/curt.bmp
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by justchil
Fuel map lowered .3 as suggested... Still trying to figure out how I change the injector scaling to 720.



Look about right?
He meant -3.0 not -0.3 I believe. Maybe he should clarify.
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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What is his injector scaling set to tho? I can't seem to change mine for some odd reason.
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:37 PM
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Oh crap duh nevermind lol

So his is setup similar to mine... no change on the scaling.. hmmm
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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Personally, I couldn't bear to try to modify a map like this, I'd have to chuck it in the bin!

I'd start with a standard factory map and get the idle and cruise areas on minimal fuel trim adjustments by adjusting the injector scaling. I'd do this with a wideband, knock monitoring and with boost controllers set to give just actuator pressure. I wouldn't even think about boosting it until I'd got all this right.

Then I would move on to map a low boost setting - initially with safe ignition timing I'd get the AFRs correct then sort the timing, but I wouldn't bother too much about it as with sensible induction you should have sensible timing.

Then I would increase the boost to my final level again with safe timing and again get the AFR correct. 11-11.5:1 on full boost on pump fuel should be safe at all RPMs. Then I'd sort the timing.

I'd develop the map as I went along so every direction was silky smooth in terms of progression.

Then I'd go batter hell out of the car on a hot day to make sure it was safe before considering the map finished, or I'd detune it to be sure.

Just my 2p.
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:41 PM
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Personally, I couldn't bear to try to modify a map like this, I'd have to chuck it in the bin!

I'd start with a standard factory map and get the idle and cruise areas on minimal fuel trim adjustments by adjusting the injector scaling. I'd do this with a wideband, knock monitoring and with boost controllers set to give just actuator pressure. I wouldn't even think about boosting it until I'd got all this right.

Then I would move on to map a low boost setting - initially with safe ignition timing I'd get the AFRs correct then sort the timing, but I wouldn't bother too much about it as with sensible induction you should have sensible timing.

Then I would increase the boost to my final level again with safe timing and again get the AFR correct. 11-11.5:1 on full boost on pump fuel should be safe at all RPMs. Then I'd sort the timing.

I'd develop the map as I went along so every direction was silky smooth in terms of progression.

Then I'd go batter hell out of the car on a hot day to make sure it was safe before considering the map finished, or I'd detune it to be sure.

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Totally agree. Was going to say that. You should not deviate from the factory 14.7's under vacuum IMO.

This is a real hackjob IMO.

Honestly your best bet is to start over using proper injector scaling and start rich and backout your fuel as you tune.
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:45 PM
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I'm starting to think the same thing. It would be a better learning experience. I could always use this map as sort of a "guide" if I needed help. I've got all weekend to work on this so I may go that route.

Again.. I can't change the scaling for some reason or another. Edit -> Set Data does nothing.. I also tried to paste 720 with no luck. I must be doing something wrong here
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:47 PM
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I'm starting to think the same thing. It would be a better learning experience. I could always use this map as sort of a "guide" if I needed help. I've got all weekend to work on this so I may go that route.

Again.. I can't change the scaling for some reason or another. Edit -> Set Data does nothing.. I also tried to paste 720 with no luck. I must be doing something wrong here
Highlight the box and hit "shift +" until you scale it up to where you need it.
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:48 PM
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh I freaking knew that... Thanks tho! It's always the little things haha
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:49 PM
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Lower it 3.0 not .3, this map is honestly really bad, i'm surprised you never blew the motor.

Had you of gotten a bad tank of gas i'm certain it would have grenaded.

i just modded your map on my computer and it worked fine.

i like doing the set value with the "=" key. much easier since the "-" and "+" function sometimes go up by .2 or 2
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:55 PM
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Ok I did it using -.. I'll redo it when I get home with the set value.

Here is the basic idea tho:



I'm still thinking that starting with a stock 03 map might be the best route for me to go

Granted I will keep everything on the rich side until my knock stuff comes in... as of right now I have no way of logging knock other than monitoring the voltage on the ecu.

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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 12:59 PM
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Ok so I'm heading home now.. Big thanks to everyone will all the help/suggestions. Keep them coming if you have time.
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Old Jun 23, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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Honestly contact teh tuner and ask him for a new map, if the one he gives you is as big a pile as this is then chuck it and start over with a stock map.

I just hate for you to have wated your $

I know it;s not your fault but that map looks horrible. i'll edit it a bit and post it for you.
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