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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bruce974
I want to set my afr at 15.5 at idle and cruise for the best fuel economy.


- what is the best, openloop for the full time or not?


- Near the rev limiter, I loged my afr at 9.6:1, but I saw 8 knocksum, yet I did not tune my ignition map and I have 15 psi of boost at the rev limiter.

- when I loged knocksum, what ignition map do I modify, high, low, or both?
closed loop for idle and cruise

9.6 is nearly 2 full points too rich

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Old Nov 2, 2014 | 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ronaldo9
9.6:1 on pump gas? That is very rich and bare in mind that is also not ideal. I would lean that portion out a bit if it were my car. I modify both high and low ignition map. I keep the low ignition map a bit more conservative than the high ignition map.

yes 9.6:1 at WOT but I have 8 knockshum too.
If I lean that portion, I should have more knocksums yet?
How to verify if the ecu runs in openloop mode?
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Old Nov 2, 2014 | 08:42 PM
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Leaning from 9.6:1 won't necessarily mean more knock, there is a point where too much fuel (your case) is bad. Bump that closer to 11.2 for starters. At 9.6:1 its doubtful ur even getting close to complete combustion of all that fuel.

As for open loop, just change the two "open loop load vs rpm tables" to 0 to force open loop all the time. This seems to be what most do. To verify, try logging ur short term feedback trim, guessing it wouldn't be oscillating
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Old Nov 2, 2014 | 08:45 PM
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Shame on me, I went back and reread what u had already done, sounds like uve got the tables already. How do u know its not working ?
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by X Double Dot
Leaning from 9.6:1 won't necessarily mean more knock, there is a point where too much fuel (your case) is bad. Bump that closer to 11.2 for starters. At 9.6:1 its doubtful ur even getting close to complete combustion of all that fuel.

As for open loop, just change the two "open loop load vs rpm tables" to 0 to force open loop all the time. This seems to be what most do. To verify, try logging ur short term feedback trim, guessing it wouldn't be oscillating

I learned something, I thought if I leaning from 9.6:1 to 11.2:1, the engine would knock more with the same ignition?
How can I accurately identify differents cells in the fuel map ( idle/cruise, spool, peak?)

I don't have table called "OL vs RPM tables
this is my rom :
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by X Double Dot
Shame on me, I went back and reread what u had already done, sounds like uve got the tables already. How do u know its not working ?
I have tried to use "full time openloop" in ecu periphery option, but my AFR oscillates between 13 and 17 when this option is activated and idle becomes unstable.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 09:36 PM
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I have tried to log 'jdm map" too and for me the values have no sens.
I have 15 psi at WOT on my mechanical gauge and the values are very different in evoscan
Look at my log please
I would have preferred the values in "bar"
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Old Nov 4, 2014 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bruce974
I have tried to log 'jdm map" too and for me the values have no sens.
I have 15 psi at WOT on my mechanical gauge and the values are very different in evoscan
Look at my log please
I would have preferred the values in "bar"
Do you actually have a JDM map sensor? If you only have a stock usdm sensor the scaling would more than likely be off, explaining why ur logging 32.x vs 15.
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by X Double Dot
Do you actually have a JDM map sensor? If you only have a stock usdm sensor the scaling would more than likely be off, explaining why ur logging 32.x vs 15.

Yes I have a jdm map
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Old Nov 5, 2014 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bruce974

Yes I have a jdm map
Hmmm, do you have to subtract out atmospheric pressure (14.7psi at sea level)? That would get u closer to the 15 psi ur gauge is reading
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Old Nov 8, 2014 | 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by X Double Dot
Hmmm, do you have to subtract out atmospheric pressure (14.7psi at sea level)? That would get u closer to the 15 psi ur gauge is reading

my eval for jdm in evoscan is 0.19347*x-14.7.
Need I to subtract 14.7 in this eval? (0.19347*x-14.7)-14.7?
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