4 people in the car

 

Too many "blocks" of the same numbers. Tried putting in more progression, that's what the big maps are for. For instance, between your 90 and 100 columns there's no need to be trying to drop 8 degrees there. Try to keep your transitions to no more than 3* between load columns that are 10 a part. Also, smooth out the area in the higher rpms where timing goes from 9 to 7 then back up to 9. The numbers should always be decreasing as you move left to right on the map and increasing as you move top to bottom.

 

thanks for the tips yeah i know as far as the transition as far as timing however as far as amount of timing does it look "low" Ill work on smoothing everything and being able to play with more areas but does that look like a decent amount of timing for 93 octane. I just dont see how its possible for the car to make such little power with the mods. Im no where close to being done with the tune becasue it started to rain and I couldnt do much top end wise but doesnt it seem abit low? He has a FPRED full exhaust LICP and turboxs front mount. HKS cams are 272s even with that little timing shouldnt it be somewhere near 430?

 

my hta86 car with stock cams made 400whp EASY and I tuned a FPred evo 9 with stock cams stock intercooler stock piping with just an exhaust on 23psi that made 395whp

 

Why is it soo lean? Also post up your boost plot, it looks to be coming on kind of late...Have you checked cam timing?

 

This is where Im currently at. I switched to EBC so I can hold any boost level up to 24 straight, which ends up approx 300 load, and WG pressure is 15psi or 180 load. Im kinda missing the MBC for quick and easy adjust, and since map switching doesnt work, id just assume to turn the knob

 

oh afr plot is meaningless the wideband was not datalogging so ignore that. Dont have a boost plot either full boost is around 4000rpm maybe a little later in third gear. I thought so too maybe his cam timing is off. AFRs were 10.7 through out powerband, little rich because he beats on his car everyday.

 

i dont see how you expect very good results with no good log of whats actually going on.

 

Ive already explained whats going on peak load 310 tapers to 260 towards redline max timing its seeing up top is 10 down low around 3 you can see it from the map. AFR doesn't need to be shown its fine Its 10.7 from full load to redline. It doesnt see a single count of knock, what else do you need to know? Anyway Im not done with the car by any means I was just still surprised by the little power is all. but thanks for the input guys. but Does it seem down on power?

 

Ill post up some datalogs saturday to get more input in itll include the boost plot as well.

 

well 10.7 is going hand in hand with the low power situation. There is definitely power to be had with you running nearly a full point , and atleast .7 of a point to the rich side. Get that AFR adjusted to 11.5 then work your timing map over. 11.5 is totally safe by all means. 11.8-12 is probably too lean, and 10.7 is kinda silly rich.


with the same constructive criticism that we all deserve in this thread: you will notice the drivability change once you ramp timing and have less stagnet timing values. Those lowest loads of the big blocks can likely take more timing and increase response of the engine.

 

This. At the very least bring it up to low 11's.

 

thank you guys

 

............well worked on this some tonight havent flashed it but looks like i can grab the car tomorrow. seeing if this looks better
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Better for sure timing might be a little high in some areas under your peak , look at my map for reference. Bear in mind I have s2 cams and an IM. You may have to decrease at a faster rate 100-250 ... May not