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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by project_skyline
I give up asking questions in here anymore. So far I've made 4 inquiries and somehow nothing gets answered yet everyone else get a response.
Probably because people reply to posts they know the answer to, and perhaps not many people have played around with live maps at all.

How about taking another shot at asking your 4 questions, or providing links to the posts containing your original questions, so the pros can have another shot at trying to answer them?

This thread moves pretty fast, and if the right person doesn't see it at the right time, and your inquiry ends up off the most recent page, it can easily be passed over.
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by fostytou
I meant log timing as in "what time is it in the log". If you are hitting higher load than before you probably have a boost leak. If that is causing you to go over the boos cut feature for long enough, then kudos to it for letting you know something is wrong
With the MBC installed the car is running LEAN up top, with IDC's hitting 116% !!!

It's still hitting load values around 370....Don't know why, as there are no boost leaks. I'm reading the boost with two different gauges, with independent lines, so I don't think I'm overboosting and reading it wrong. I'm gonna take the turbo off today to inspect the turbine wheel.

And props to hediki12, as I was hitting boost cut and didn't realize it!!
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 05:11 AM
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A lot of these issues are tuning issues guys. This thread is getting very hard to keep up with and I cannot be on here all times of the day to read everyones questions to provide input and help.

Someone needs to create a new thread and help these users out setting up their v7 ROM, titled: Help Setting up v7 ROM. Any takers?

We will not help TUNE your car! Issues with TUNING (80% of these questions are) should be done by a professional tuner that will know what they are changing and why.
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by phenem
A lot of these issues are tuning issues guys. This thread is getting very hard to keep up with and I cannot be on here all times of the day to read everyones questions to provide input and help.

Someone needs to create a new thread and help these users out setting up their v7 ROM, titled: Help Setting up v7 ROM. Any takers?

We will not help TUNE your car! Issues with TUNING (80% of these questions are) should be done by a professional tuner that will know what they are changing and why.
Here is the deal with that... different rom ID switches are going to require different V7 implementation especially with the weird idle issues and cold start...
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by iturregui
With the MBC installed the car is running LEAN up top, with IDC's hitting 116% !!!

It's still hitting load values around 370....Don't know why, as there are no boost leaks. I'm reading the boost with two different gauges, with independent lines, so I don't think I'm overboosting and reading it wrong. I'm gonna take the turbo off today to inspect the turbine wheel.

And props to hediki12, as I was hitting boost cut and didn't realize it!!
np 1000cc hitting 116% idc..... wow lol
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by phenem
A lot of these issues are tuning issues guys. This thread is getting very hard to keep up with and I cannot be on here all times of the day to read everyones questions to provide input and help.

Someone needs to create a new thread and help these users out setting up their v7 ROM, titled: Help Setting up v7 ROM. Any takers?

We will not help TUNE your car! Issues with TUNING (80% of these questions are) should be done by a professional tuner that will know what they are changing and why.
agreed i should have a car in about a week and then swap in the evo ecu in.... so any 2g people need help with v7 ill try to get as fluent with it on the 2g's as i can.
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Fast_Freddie
Here is the deal with that... different rom ID switches are going to require different V7 implementation especially with the weird idle issues and cold start...
Exactly! That's why a thread, Help Setting up v7 ROM, would be perfect. This thread would only be used major problems like TPS not allowing the switch to Alternate or WGDC 100% is not activating....things like that.
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCal Rally
Probably because people reply to posts they know the answer to, and perhaps not many people have played around with live maps at all.

How about taking another shot at asking your 4 questions, or providing links to the posts containing your original questions, so the pros can have another shot at trying to answer them?

This thread moves pretty fast, and if the right person doesn't see it at the right time, and your inquiry ends up off the most recent page, it can easily be passed over.
perhaps so, he wasn't the only person asking the same questions though. I think a separate up to date thread on the issue would probably be more appropriate
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 09:08 AM
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Can anybody explain how does TPS WGDC correction work? putting anything lower than 100% under partial throttle conditions actually makes boost lower, but also makes it oscilate like mad +\-0,15 bar! Max Upward WGDC Correction VS TPS is zeroed.

If I understand correctly it is a TPS-dependant WGDC multiplier. So it seems to me that TPS WGDC correction table lowers Base WGDC according to the multiplier at certain throttle position, but then TBEC begin to rise it back to its Base numbers, trying to reach Boost desired engine load, an so on and on. Looks like TBEC works against TPS WGDS Correction...

Is there a way to turn off TBEC under certain TPS lower than 100%? Or may be we need some kind of TPS-dependant multiplier for Boost Desired Engine Load too to make TPS correction fully functional?

For example Subarus have tps-dependent boost tables, that allow to make linear power control with throttle. And have a Gear-dependant multiplier.

By the way what does Min Load for Boost Control table do?

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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 10:10 AM
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by phenem

We will not help TUNE your car! Issues with TUNING (80% of these questions are) should be done by a professional tuner that will know what they are changing and why.

hmmm interesting statement
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Biggy VIII
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Can anybody explain how does TPS WGDC correction work? putting anything lower than 100% under partial throttle conditions actually makes boost lower, but also makes it oscilate like mad +\-0,15 bar! Max Upward WGDC Correction VS TPS is zeroed.

If I understand correctly it is a TPS-dependant WGDC multiplier. So it seems to me that TPS WGDC correction table lowers Base WGDC according to the multiplier at certain throttle position, but then TBEC begin to rise it back to its Base numbers, trying to reach Boost desired engine load, an so on and on. Looks like TBEC works against TPS WGDS Correction...

Is there a way to turn off TBEC under certain TPS lower than 100%? Or may be we need some kind of TPS-dependant multiplier for Boost Desired Engine Load too to make TPS correction fully functional?

For example Subarus have tps-dependent boost tables, that allow to make linear power control with throttle. And have a Gear-dependant multiplier.

By the way what does Min Load for Boost Control table do?
It scales the WGDC that the ecu would have otherwise outputted. IE: if you have 50% at 50% throttle in the table and your map is trying to run 100% at 6000rpm then the TPS table would take that 100% and make it 50%. It is a GREAT feature, so if you are parital throttling around (think autocrossing or road racing) and you are at half throttle, you obviously don't want full boost, so the ecu doesn't give it to you.

If you don't understand this just run 100% on the right side of this table.
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 0xDEAD
It scales the WGDC that the ecu would have otherwise outputted. IE: if you have 50% at 50% throttle in the table and your map is trying to run 100% at 6000rpm then the TPS table would take that 100% and make it 50%. It is a GREAT feature, so if you are parital throttling around (think autocrossing or road racing) and you are at half throttle, you obviously don't want full boost, so the ecu doesn't give it to you.

If you don't understand this just run 100% on the right side of this table.
I DO understand that. More than that - i am trying to figure out how to make it work correctly! I am also interested in lower boost at part-throttle conditions for AX.

Please read my post - I have a problem with oscilating boost under part throttle if i set the right side of TPS WGDC Correction table to anything lower than 100%.

For example: I put 90% wgdc in my Base WGDC table, and 50% at 50% throttle in my TPS WGDC correction. When I hold the pedal at half-throttle at first I have what I expect to - 45% WGDC and lower boost... ...than a moment later my WGDC get back to 90% and almost full boost! Half a second later situation repeats - WGDC is lowered to 45% and boost is lowered too, than its back to my 90% from Base WGDC table and almost full boost!

So it seems like TBEC routine works against TPS WGDC Correction function!

Did anybody have any success applying TPS WGDC Correction?

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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 08:16 PM
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make sure you have the correct gear/speed, its possible to be on the cusp of two different gear wgdc. If the next gear's wgd is significantly different it can make a big difference.


I've had tps imputed, can't say that I have noticed.
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Old Nov 10, 2009 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by nothere
make sure you have the correct gear/speed, its possible to be on the cusp of two different gear wgdc. If the next gear's wgd is significantly different it can make a big difference.


I've had tps imputed, can't say that I have noticed.
I`ve tested this feature on 3rd gear, wgdc of 4th gear is -2% from 3rd...

Could you post your TPS WGDC correction, BDEL and Base WGDC tables please? just for information...
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