Who knows. All these cars he tunes that are on his facebook page with the dyno vids and all but he apparently shouldnt be doing EVOs. I should have listened to everyone on here instead of a buddy who referred me to him. Such a large amount of money lost and time.

 

Don't beat yourself up about it too much. You gave the guy a shot and he FAILED. Now you know he's lost. Hopefully you can get a good Etune worked out. I think ENGLISH Racing will do them sometimes. Maybe you can give them a call and get lucky.

 

Ok, I emailed the owner and he responded stating:
*"*When we tune management systems here, we start with a base pull on the dyno watching fuel mixture and data logging for all kinds of things but really watch the knock feedback. When we did the base pull on your car, the fuel mixture was way off but there was very little to no knock. So we adjusted the fuel mixture while watching for knock. The timing table the car came in with is pretty much the table it has now. The first thing we were working on was drivabilty, the car was dying at stops and idling way high. So we got it doing better before any full dyno pull was attempted. Then after talking to you, you questioned how much power it was making, you said it should be making 450hp to the wheels. We tried to add a degree of timing and the car did not pick up power and the knock picked up, so we backed it back down until the power was stable and no knock.*We were worried about pulling any more timing than needed because of the high exhaust temps. If it is on kill, why is the power so off from what these guys say it should make? I attached the final data log, this was taken while driving the car, the only knock I see, is on decell. We are more than happy to put your car back on the dyno and adjust the tune while you are here to watch the process. From the looking around on the forums I have done, the timing seems to be the same as other tuners I found that were running 22lbs of boost. You are also welcome to bring in a tuner of your choice, I have no problem giving you all the dyno time you want to resolve this. I would also welcome further conversation about this from the guys saying we are trying to kill your engine. The last thing I want to do is hurt your engine."

 

Evos run very little timing compared to many other cars. I'm guessing that's why he said he was worried about pulling timing lower than what it already has. When I tell people who know general things about tuning but not really specific to evos, they almost don't believe me that we run only 1-3° at peak torque.

 

That says everything right there. He's lost!! So what did you really pay for?

 

Can you post your xml file or your rom, bcoz i cant see your map!!!!
do you have stock injectors?if yes this is the problem!!!

 

Download the Tephra V7 xml files and you will be able to open it. His ROM is 94170715

 

Thanks man i dont have all the tephra roms in my notebook(10.9inch)!!!

First big problem is that is toooooooo lean!
Second is too much timing without any point!!!!!
I dont have time to read all the thread again!
do you know if the car has stock internals?
i will see again the map in my laptop bcoz now i have a lot of work!!!

Thanks again evo8426!!!

 

Looks like your car has been tuned before by AL at dynoflash. This pool of 8s is his signature. Your new tuner should have started a smooth map from scratch (from stock map).

The car is virtually running closed loop with the knock sensor. It knocks at the start of the pull, ECU lowers timing advance, until it get no knock, then knock happens and the process restarts. Works like that to 7500RPM. You have no power.

I suppose that he guess that the exhaust temps were high without monitoring real EGT. It's really not the way to start tuning a car that you don't know. You can't start and say: 8 degree is very low timing on a subaru, so 8 degree is very low on an evo: timing map contains "arbitrary" numbers. In the dissasembled evo ROM there is an adder at the beginning of the timing table, which applies to all values in that table. One could think that the timing table is the final timing value like it could be in another car, but it isn't.


Which forums?
I can assure you that:
No tuner here run a pool of 8s in his car on 93 octane and .
no tuner here runs a screwed map like that.

Like Raptord said: watch your ICS because on alt maps I'm not sure the knock system is fast enough to fight 11* at peak torque.

 

--delete

 

Domyz is right, this (ie before & after retune) looks like Al's work from DynoFlash.. Nobody blocks timing * like he does

 

There's no way to know if the tune is too lean without seeing a log.

 

I know that, but you will see when the DarkEvo upload his logs!!!
I had almost the same situation from one of my friends car!!!
Lets wait his logs and i hope not blow his engine!!!!

 

You guys guessed it right, tuned by Al at Dynoflash before I bought the car.

I have attached the log the tuner sent me. I had to adjust it to fit since excel files can't be uploaded on here....kinda tiny print. I removed all categories that were blank.

 

^ I don't see AFR. Someone correct me if im wrong but your TPS should be at a minimum of about ~13%, definitely over 12.75%... You're problem not seeing 100% (ie TPS), while doing WOT runs. Adjust your TPS sensor