Highest HP 4g63 engine (from 2007)
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From: Elkton MD and WV
I think you guys are missing the point that these are hp numbers. hes only putting down ~700 ft-lb of tq. but at 12,000 rpms thats equivalent to 1600 hp.
tq moves a car hp is just a manipulation of tq.
hp = (tq*RPM)/5252
a low 8 is pretty close to 700 ft-lb as described before
tq moves a car hp is just a manipulation of tq.
hp = (tq*RPM)/5252
a low 8 is pretty close to 700 ft-lb as described before
Last edited by euro2fast4u; Apr 4, 2012 at 05:20 AM.
I think you guys are missing the point that these are hp numbers. hes only putting down ~700 ft-lb of tq. but at 12,000 rpms thats equivalent to 1600 hp.
tq moves a car hp is just a manipulation of tq.
hp = (tq*RPM)/5252
a low 8 is pretty close to 700 ft-lb as described before
tq moves a car hp is just a manipulation of tq.
hp = (tq*RPM)/5252
a low 8 is pretty close to 700 ft-lb as described before
But Elkton, MD Durham BBQ is the **** 
Ok that is all carry on folks
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So what does more pressure/friction result in?
Heat would be one thing.
Is heat signaling that we are loosing power?
If heat is increasing that means that we are applying more load/power to what ever thingy is getting hotter. This would be true either it's a mechanical part or current (amp's) through a load on a voltage supply (a resistor getting hotter means more current is flowing).
So, can we still say that the losses in a drive train are the same no matter what HP the engine is producing?
Quote from a post here (and my reason for writing this post):
Saying a 500bhp car loses more power through the transmission than a 300bhp car is nonsense
Is this statement true? If so, what is the definition for proofing it?
It would mean that the increased friction/pressure would not affect anything, or?
It would be really interesting to see your answers (with proof backing it up please), I'm always on the lookout to learn more.
Sorry for being a bit of topic, but I couldn't help myself when I saw that statement I quoted above.
More HP to the people!
/M
Heat would be one thing.
Is heat signaling that we are loosing power?
If heat is increasing that means that we are applying more load/power to what ever thingy is getting hotter. This would be true either it's a mechanical part or current (amp's) through a load on a voltage supply (a resistor getting hotter means more current is flowing).
So, can we still say that the losses in a drive train are the same no matter what HP the engine is producing?
Quote from a post here (and my reason for writing this post):
Saying a 500bhp car loses more power through the transmission than a 300bhp car is nonsense
Is this statement true? If so, what is the definition for proofing it?
It would mean that the increased friction/pressure would not affect anything, or?
It would be really interesting to see your answers (with proof backing it up please), I'm always on the lookout to learn more.
Sorry for being a bit of topic, but I couldn't help myself when I saw that statement I quoted above.
More HP to the people!
/M
Measure coastdown losses. I believe indigo have a dyno that can do this. Or get on an engine dyno then put engine in car and test on rollers. But that also leads to the problem of a dynojet "AWHP" as everyone claims being 11% higher than a mustang WHP so really the numbers are all a load of **** anyway.
More races seem to be won on dyno's than the track this century ...
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I think you guys are missing the point that these are hp numbers. hes only putting down ~700 ft-lb of tq. but at 12,000 rpms thats equivalent to 1600 hp.
tq moves a car hp is just a manipulation of tq.
hp = (tq*RPM)/5252
a low 8 is pretty close to 700 ft-lb as described before
tq moves a car hp is just a manipulation of tq.
hp = (tq*RPM)/5252
a low 8 is pretty close to 700 ft-lb as described before
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Noone wrote that the car have 1700hp in same time when it did low 9's 
And in UK you have real dragracing track in Santa Pod, in Greece they try to run these mega powered cars on airport tracks with some VHT sprayed on first 60-80ft, difference is like day and night when we ask for ETs......
On almost all videos what we seen, Spyros cars cant hook up on start at all, anyway in same time they run at least low 9s, and to wrote these cars are "shiny parts" only and not really fast is......nothing more than funny
And in UK you have real dragracing track in Santa Pod, in Greece they try to run these mega powered cars on airport tracks with some VHT sprayed on first 60-80ft, difference is like day and night when we ask for ETs......
On almost all videos what we seen, Spyros cars cant hook up on start at all, anyway in same time they run at least low 9s, and to wrote these cars are "shiny parts" only and not really fast is......nothing more than funny
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This is where wikipedia is scary. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing!
Measure coastdown losses. I believe indigo have a dyno that can do this. Or get on an engine dyno then put engine in car and test on rollers. But that also leads to the problem of a dynojet "AWHP" as everyone claims being 11% higher than a mustang WHP so really the numbers are all a load of **** anyway.
More races seem to be won on dyno's than the track this century ...
Measure coastdown losses. I believe indigo have a dyno that can do this. Or get on an engine dyno then put engine in car and test on rollers. But that also leads to the problem of a dynojet "AWHP" as everyone claims being 11% higher than a mustang WHP so really the numbers are all a load of **** anyway.
More races seem to be won on dyno's than the track this century ...
Actually, Spyros, aim for the 0-100-0 mph world record for street cars! Then you would really make your voice heard.
/M
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Very good point. Spyros cars are running on the ****tiest surfaces and still running nines. Everyone is such a critic. Keep pushing the envelope and take those cars to a real track then see what the bloody americans have to say lol
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Actually Santa Pod is a really bad track that it is very hard to get traction on.
The track that Spyros posted videos from looked properly prepped and as good as other European tracks.
Wheel hop does not come from bad traction but from a badly set up Chassis.
As for specifications on parts. Only Muppets will buy stage 1,2,etc. parts.
Professionals and cunning people want to know the specs of the part they buy before they decide on what part to buy.
Erland
The track that Spyros posted videos from looked properly prepped and as good as other European tracks.
Wheel hop does not come from bad traction but from a badly set up Chassis.
As for specifications on parts. Only Muppets will buy stage 1,2,etc. parts.
Professionals and cunning people want to know the specs of the part they buy before they decide on what part to buy.
Erland
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From: Welly NZ
The fastest 1/4 I have ever seen in person for an EVO was one making just over 1000hp at hubs on an airport runway complete with unavoidable white painted lines. Car was doing 8.3s at around 177-180mph.... I have seen a Skyline GTR doing high 7s on the same strip with around 1400, so I think that excuse is a bit weak.
The fastest 1/4 I have ever seen in person for an EVO was one making just over 1000hp at hubs on an airport runway complete with unavoidable white painted lines. Car was doing 8.3s at around 177-180mph.... I have seen a Skyline GTR doing high 7s on the same strip with around 1400, so I think that excuse is a bit weak.
coastdown losses only measures static property; not dynamic.....when the engine is going FOT; thousands of factors jump into the equation and as the engine increases the power output; well so does the total lost of HP while the total percentage SHOULD decrease. Increase friction between all these metal components due to load is paramount in this equation....equal force is met with equal resistance "Third law: The mutual forces of action and reaction between two bodies are equal, opposite and collinear."
maybe 15-18% loss in Spyro's set up is closer to reality?
what's the highest confirm DJ WHP for an evo? Has it reached 1200WHP?
maybe 15-18% loss in Spyro's set up is closer to reality?
what's the highest confirm DJ WHP for an evo? Has it reached 1200WHP?