great idea

Im guess the next excuse will have to do with either

-Scott not wanting the BVP guys at his shop, for some reason
-that he doesnt have to prove anything to anyone

 

OR.... big valley does 2-3 pulls on their dyno with their car, and then ttp watches closely and they dyno his car with the same settings as they did with their personal car since hes worried about them rigging the dyno brakes.

 

I think we are wasting our time here. If we decide to dyno our car on a DJ, it will not be local and it will not be an Evo vendor who stands to benefit from the outcome of the results. Since its been stated a number of times that all DJ's are within 5whp of each other there should be no excuses from the DJ camp.

R/T Ernie, I do believe you to be an educated person however turning down the boost and or detuning the test car on the Dynojet run with another car only to increase the power on the TTP dyno run is an easy way for the Dynojet to manipulate the run. It is simple and an easy way to throw the test.

If we decide to dyno on a DJ, it will be on our own time, not local and without prior appointment so that there is no rigging of the test.

 

Same could be said for you turning up the boost or adding timing... or running VPImport etc.
There are lots of ways for you to skew the data as well...

Why don't you ride in their car from the time it dyno's at their shop until it shows up at your shop... that way you KNOW that no one has retuned the car, turned down/up the boost, or changed maps. Seems easy enough to me. I CAN'T imagine what you could possibly come up with as an excuse. Oh yeah...how about the BVP guys come and PICK YOU UP AT YOUR SHOP so you don't have to drive over to theirs. If BVP can't drive you over there...I'm sure Ryu can drive you over there.

I think your lack of initiative to alleviate the doubts that reside in your dyno numbers show your guilt/dishonesty in this situation. I think you've been sufficiently called out here and you've repeatedly dodged opportunities to provide the community with evidence that shows you aren't manipulating the data.

 

Funny you how you say the math never lies

 

When a person acts like everyone is out to get them it generally implies they have a guilty conscious and or something to hide.

 

so the HP # being used for calculations is based on what kind of dyno?

 

I can print screen the diagnostics screen indicating the mileage. Nothing to hide here.

Personally I thought it read high but with 150mph pulls and hours and hours of testing and tuning in road simulation mode it is what it is. Maybe I read it wrong but I will check it in the AM.

 

No, actually if you were in our shoes, there has been 5 years of people out to get us, many from the very camp in your signature. So yes we are careful in our decision making process when it comes to who we trust. Orlando is a saturated market with 5-6 AWD dyno's and shops within 20 miles. Some salivating at any opportunity to try and knock us down.

So yes we will not expose ourself to being set-up.

 

Anybody who believes these online hp/trap speed calculators are true math doesn't understand the theory of mathematics.

Facts are there was one calculator posted that said one thing. Then there was a second calculator posted that said something different. Neither is a legitimate mathematical resource. We don't know what formulas are being used in either of them (they are obviously different). If the calculators were legitimate math, they would read exactly the same. Math will always provide the EXACT SAME outcome every single time. These online calculators don't do that.

 

I CAN NOT BELIEVE we are not arguing about the hp calc. ??? seriously now we basing his results on a online hp calc?? lol lol this is crazy seriously.... please just dyno this car on a dynojet of another MD so this thread can be over with, if u have half the forum saying the numbers are wrong or something is up with the dyno wouldent u want to set things straight asap??

 

I've had the same dyno for over 5 years. There are a few ways to make it read high but the test becomes useless to compare to any other test previously so I don't even try them. Once accidentally, I ran a NSx on 2wd but forgot to switch the software. It made it read 300 hp more roughly. Another was when my weather station broke. The multiplier dropped less than 1 and read lower. Another was when I called mustang the first time I got the dyno because people were complaining it read really low. Then tried to tell me another way but at the end it's all just useless to change so I just deal with the low number complaints. If it was the other way and it read high from the beginning, I wouldve left it alone and let it read what it reads as long as it's consistent.

So yes it can be manipulated or had been that way from day one. It would matter more to the user and it's customers to change/correct it.

 

This is ridiculous. So TTP has to go to another shop to prove his dyno is not high reading? Just take what his results are for what its worth. His car made xxx HP and went XXX mile per hour at the drag strip. If I was TTP, I would not have the time to waste going to this dyno or that dyno when I have my own business to run. I thought the community has already establish that dyno are just a tool and the strip is what matters. If you don't like his posts, hit ignore. He already said that he isn't willing to change his calibration so I don't see anything else to talk about. Lets say he goes to xxx dynojet and made 600 WHP. Then what are you guys going to do? "TTP reads high" Ok... wow big whoop... He ran xxx mph and made xxx whp. End of story. With those numbers it can be establish high reading or not...

 

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you cant talk common sense on the evom forums though, you know that.

 

But then again he's using his dyno to advertise for his business which can be misleading. This is going to be never ending and people will always question his results until something is proven different.