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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CULVIIIER
This isn't about Buschur vs TTP. This is about all the vendors being on an equal playing field. And at the end of the day us educated people can see through all the smoke and mirrors and realize that when a car that makes XXXwhp and turns around and backs it up with a slow track time that something just isn't right.

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There is no even playing field. No shop is in the same geographic area, altitude, humidity or intake air temperature location. We are not complaining that the air temperature is not currently 32*F so we can run 150mph in the northeast. It is what it is, it was 81*F today.

There are two other Mustang Dyno's within 3-18 miles from us, neither of which have any complaints. In fact in my opinion we read lower than both. One is an AWD-500 SE exactly the same as the rest with 4 roller front and the other is an IMP-1100SE.

I would love to take the car to Norwalk and see what it does there.
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by norcalSRTrida
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Project White, 10.35 @ 138.53 mph (stock ECU/stock MAF MPH record)

even tho TTP just did 143 in stock ecu (tho w/ SD).

i forget if mellontuning has done 140s on stock ecu or not yet.
Mellon did 139.X.

We moved to SD for the simple reason that we moved to a 4" intake pipe where the MAF would have reduced the size of the intake pipe.
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 08:33 PM
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too bad i dint get a chance to run 1/4 damn it, lol
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 08:42 PM
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looks like 90% of mustang dynos are reading lower then TTP's. If I was TTP, I would want my dyno to read the same as the other 90% of the mustang dynos so customers can get a accurate reading of their power and compare it to competitors.. keeping your dyno reading like this is just going to hurt your business and yourself.
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 08:46 PM
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
There is no even playing field. No shop is in the same geographic area, altitude, humidity or intake air temperature location. We are not complaining that the air temperature is not currently 32*F so we can run 150mph in the northeast. It is what it is, it was 81*F today.

There are two other Mustang Dyno's within 3-18 miles from us, neither of which have any complaints. In fact in my opinion we read lower than both. One is an AWD-500 SE exactly the same as the rest with 4 roller front and the other is an IMP-1100SE.

I would love to take the car to Norwalk and see what it does there.
If the geographic area, altitude, humidity and intake air temperature effect the track times so much then why does it seem to have absolutely no effect on your dyno #'s?

I mean your shop's dyno is in Florida and you run at the track in Florida right?

So which excuse are you going to stick with?

1. Your cars aren't "Tin Cans"

2. Your "geographic area, altitude, humidity or intake air temperature location"
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
looks like 90% of mustang dynos are reading lower then TTP's. If I was TTP, I would want my dyno to read the same as the other 90% of the mustang dynos so customers can get a accurate reading of their power and compare it to competitors.. keeping your dyno reading like this is just going to hurt your business and yourself.
Changing the dyno reading is a dis-service to the thousands of customers that have used it and all of the testing we have ever done on it. According to the logs we have put 178,000 miles on it last year alone. Changing the way the factory set up the dyno negates all prior tests and baselines, testing ever completed on the unit.

We have both weather corrected and uncorrected numbers available at the customer request. As previously stated the car put down 713whp uncorrected.
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by CULVIIIER
If the geographic area, altitude, humidity and intake air temperature effect the track times so much then why does it seem to have absolutely no effect on your dyno #'s?

I mean your shop's dyno is in Florida and you run at the track in Florida right?

So which excuse are you going to stick with?

1. Your cars aren't "Tin Cans"

2. Your "geographic area, altitude, humidity or intake air temperature location"
Both 1 & 2.

This is a street car with PS, A/C, stock wpump, condenser, full radiator, front member, rear mustache bar etc etc.

Weather correction corrects for over 77*F temperature and 0% humidity, however at the track its not 77*F and 0% humidity.
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 09:02 PM
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future plans for the car?
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dtrackstar
future plans for the car?
Kind of nervous launching hard with this QM twin. The Tcase has been through a few hundred launches. The tcase is the original 42k and there is a stock trans in the car however I have one coupler to swap out on the FMIC inlet to LICP and we'll be back out again shooting for 9's. The MPH is more than there already and I am a little rusty and about 25-30lbs heavier these days

When the car was tuned last I was cut short for time and it starting running a little lean at peak boost 50.5psi so I may crank on the FuelLab FPR and see if boost is able to be increased any more with the higher base fuel pressure.

On the old intake and setup it seemed like it would not exceed 42psi.

Once we feel like the setup is maxed out, then it might be time to upgrade the snail.

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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 09:10 PM
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Well it's pretty obvious that you're hiding something if you won't go to Big Valley and put down a number.

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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 09:10 PM
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Ok by now everyone should know dynos are for tuning purposes not for setting records ,there is just too much variance between them. Heck HP is just a math formula for torque at a certain RPM. Also you cannot look at just HP and tell what E.T. and MPH a car will run. Some people need to do some research before they comment on whether or not some one is lying to them. They make these wonderful 1/4 mile calculators that take your WHP and the weight of your vehicle with driver and can usually give you an accurate E.T. and MPH. Sometimes the E.T. will vary due to driver error or track prep but the MPH is fairly accurate. If you take the 763 HP claimed and the claimed weight of 3365 guess what happens when it is entered?? 9.552 @ 142.69 hmmm looks pretty close to the MPH they ran. At the corrected 713 HP it would run 9.771 @139. You guys should check out Jcalculator or some of the other 1/4 mile calculators they are fun to punch in different variables to see what you can come up with.
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 09:11 PM
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so the trans and the tcase are stock? confused

Who knows about his dyno, would it be a good idea to back it up on another dyno...yes but he still has the stock ecu MPH in the US on a bad pass. Still respectable.
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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ryno529
Ok by now everyone should know dynos are for tuning purposes not for setting records ,there is just too much variance between them. Heck HP is just a math formula for torque at a certain RPM. Also you cannot look at just HP and tell what E.T. and MPH a car will run. Some people need to do some research before they comment on whether or not some one is lying to them. They make these wonderful 1/4 mile calculators that take your WHP and the weight of your vehicle with driver and can usually give you an accurate E.T. and MPH. Sometimes the E.T. will vary due to driver error or track prep but the MPH is fairly accurate. If you take the 763 HP claimed and the claimed weight of 3365 guess what happens when it is entered?? 9.552 @ 142.69 hmmm looks pretty close to the MPH they ran. At the corrected 713 HP it would run 9.771 @139. You guys should check out Jcalculator or some of the other 1/4 mile calculators they are fun to punch in different variables to see what you can come up with.
Thanks for the info. It gives a good goal E.T. to shoot for with the appropriate MPH.

The program is located here: http://www.jcalculator.com/?c=1_4_mile_calculator

The MPH is dead nuts. The ET would be tough to achieve though unless you are John Force.

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Old Nov 7, 2009 | 09:40 PM
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Is the QM twin ceramic driveable on the street?
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