CBRD's BBK-B.. 457whp/365wtq on 93..
i do have a 9 but no sheet metal intake manifold or headwork or open wastegate and was able to get to 400 on cbrds dyno so it is not impossible. im sure the s2 cams did help but we didnt rev over 8 grand so i wasnt abusing the valve train.
just thought i would put that out there
jeff
just thought i would put that out there
jeff
I guess I just feel, for me, if I made nearly 330whp on stock turbo and put nearly $4k into turbo and all the supporting mods I want to do and only picked up 35-55whp for that much money I would be very dissappointed. And I want room to grow. But with that said, I can totally see why some people would want a Full. But I think I want more than that, but not as far as a Red. I am hoping the results start flowing in mass like they did when the Full was released.
Pretty good. Ported IM? 65mm TB? How much boost? I assume this was on 93 only?
I guess I just feel, for me, if I made nearly 330whp on stock turbo and put nearly $4k into turbo and all the supporting mods I want to do and only picked up 35-55whp for that much money I would be very dissappointed. And I want room to grow. But with that said, I can totally see why some people would want a Full. But I think I want more than that, but not as far as a Red. I am hoping the results start flowing in mass like they did when the Full was released.
I guess I just feel, for me, if I made nearly 330whp on stock turbo and put nearly $4k into turbo and all the supporting mods I want to do and only picked up 35-55whp for that much money I would be very dissappointed. And I want room to grow. But with that said, I can totally see why some people would want a Full. But I think I want more than that, but not as far as a Red. I am hoping the results start flowing in mass like they did when the Full was released.
93 octane, 27.x psi, ported stock i/m, t/b...
i went from 280 at the wheels to 400 and didnt quite spend 4000, but it was close. i had a particular goal in mind when i bought the full and was able to achieve that goal. i daily drive the car 12000 miles a year and do about 3-4 track days a year, balance of power with the fastest possible spool was where it was at for me.
i love how everyone wants to leave room to grow on the table, or in their back pocket for later! all that does is detract from the current set up you are currently running. id much rather have a well thought out, planned set up that achieves my goals in the most effecient/safe matter possible. if my goals change down the line and i want 500 or 600 horsepower then i will change my set up to achieve that in the optimal way.
knowing is half the battle, take the time to figure out exactly what you want out of your car, how you are going to use it and what expectations you have of it before you start spending money on parts and the next newest thing. their is a lot of knowledgable people out their in this community, all willing to help, use them.
ill take a well thought out set up like this any day before one that leaves power on the table for one day down the road when i change my mind/ if i change my mind.
end.....sorry for the rant
jeff
93 octane, 27.x psi, ported stock i/m, t/b...
i went from 280 at the wheels to 400 and didnt quite spend 4000, but it was close. i had a particular goal in mind when i bought the full and was able to achieve that goal. i daily drive the car 12000 miles a year and do about 3-4 track days a year, balance of power with the fastest possible spool was where it was at for me.
i love how everyone wants to leave room to grow on the table, or in their back pocket for later! all that does is detract from the current set up you are currently running. id much rather have a well thought out, planned set up that achieves my goals in the most effecient/safe matter possible. if my goals change down the line and i want 500 or 600 horsepower then i will change my set up to achieve that in the optimal way.
knowing is half the battle, take the time to figure out exactly what you want out of your car, how you are going to use it and what expectations you have of it before you start spending money on parts and the next newest thing. their is a lot of knowledgable people out their in this community, all willing to help, use them.
ill take a well thought out set up like this any day before one that leaves power on the table for one day down the road when i change my mind/ if i change my mind.
end.....sorry for the rant
jeff
i went from 280 at the wheels to 400 and didnt quite spend 4000, but it was close. i had a particular goal in mind when i bought the full and was able to achieve that goal. i daily drive the car 12000 miles a year and do about 3-4 track days a year, balance of power with the fastest possible spool was where it was at for me.
i love how everyone wants to leave room to grow on the table, or in their back pocket for later! all that does is detract from the current set up you are currently running. id much rather have a well thought out, planned set up that achieves my goals in the most effecient/safe matter possible. if my goals change down the line and i want 500 or 600 horsepower then i will change my set up to achieve that in the optimal way.
knowing is half the battle, take the time to figure out exactly what you want out of your car, how you are going to use it and what expectations you have of it before you start spending money on parts and the next newest thing. their is a lot of knowledgable people out their in this community, all willing to help, use them.
ill take a well thought out set up like this any day before one that leaves power on the table for one day down the road when i change my mind/ if i change my mind.
end.....sorry for the rant
jeff
also, what kind of cams, injectors etc are you running?
nvm i see you have s2s
93 octane, 27.x psi, ported stock i/m, t/b...
i went from 280 at the wheels to 400 and didnt quite spend 4000, but it was close. i had a particular goal in mind when i bought the full and was able to achieve that goal. i daily drive the car 12000 miles a year and do about 3-4 track days a year, balance of power with the fastest possible spool was where it was at for me.
i love how everyone wants to leave room to grow on the table, or in their back pocket for later! all that does is detract from the current set up you are currently running. id much rather have a well thought out, planned set up that achieves my goals in the most effecient/safe matter possible. if my goals change down the line and i want 500 or 600 horsepower then i will change my set up to achieve that in the optimal way.
knowing is half the battle, take the time to figure out exactly what you want out of your car, how you are going to use it and what expectations you have of it before you start spending money on parts and the next newest thing. their is a lot of knowledgable people out their in this community, all willing to help, use them.
ill take a well thought out set up like this any day before one that leaves power on the table for one day down the road when i change my mind/ if i change my mind.
end.....sorry for the rant
jeff
i went from 280 at the wheels to 400 and didnt quite spend 4000, but it was close. i had a particular goal in mind when i bought the full and was able to achieve that goal. i daily drive the car 12000 miles a year and do about 3-4 track days a year, balance of power with the fastest possible spool was where it was at for me.
i love how everyone wants to leave room to grow on the table, or in their back pocket for later! all that does is detract from the current set up you are currently running. id much rather have a well thought out, planned set up that achieves my goals in the most effecient/safe matter possible. if my goals change down the line and i want 500 or 600 horsepower then i will change my set up to achieve that in the optimal way.
knowing is half the battle, take the time to figure out exactly what you want out of your car, how you are going to use it and what expectations you have of it before you start spending money on parts and the next newest thing. their is a lot of knowledgable people out their in this community, all willing to help, use them.
ill take a well thought out set up like this any day before one that leaves power on the table for one day down the road when i change my mind/ if i change my mind.
end.....sorry for the rant
jeff
i understand your point but i think i rather spend the money on the turbo upgrade once
i daily drive my car but i drive it like grandma around the town with an occasional spirited back road drive. as far as tracks all i have close to me is a 1/4 mile track. so neatless to say i have dragged my car more than what i have road raced. i would rather road race it but given my current location drag is what it is. i want a well balanced car that will be a street monster with good topend! the BBK full may get me there but having a turbo that can produce more power for later makes more sense to me than having to spend more money later on to acheive my goal. i want a 400+hp street car. and i think with a 200-300rpm spool lost can be torable.
i love how everyone wants to leave room to grow on the table, or in their back pocket for later! all that does is detract from the current set up you are currently running. id much rather have a well thought out, planned set up that achieves my goals in the most effecient/safe matter possible. if my goals change down the line and i want 500 or 600 horsepower then i will change my set up to achieve that in the optimal way.
jkI understand your point but not everyone can drop $4k+ in one shot. I will likely be dropping around $3500 with a tune and labor. If I want to do drop-ins and a stage 3 head and turn the boost up to 30psi in a a year or two, I dont want to have to upgrade the turbo and a bunch of other stuff. Plus, I used to think exactly like you and over the years have sold stuff and lost my *** and replaced stuff and I am sick of redoing things. This time around I AM PLANNING IT ALL OUT, and in this case, that means planning for now and leaving room for the future. But I think the BBK-B with a ported IM and 65mmTB, larger FMIC, etc will still be pretty efficient. It's not like running a 37R on pump. lol....
And a side thought....think how many guys ran or run meth and stock turbos to 28+psi. The meth prevented knock and allowed the higher boost. If you can run this turbo with a couple supporting mods (ported stuff, a good fmic, etc) on 93 only to 28psi without knocking, then why not? Yes it will flow more and make more torque, but it seems the power/torque levels is then the issue, not the amount of boost. So if you are in this boost range the B should be a great turbo. Chad and many others have said the torque is still in a safe range for stock bottom end. So that clears that up. So why not run the B to 28 or so psi? Just want to hear some thoughts on this logic....
Last edited by TURBevO8; Jul 23, 2010 at 04:52 AM.
well the BBK B is bigger than the full. if i remember correctly the Full flowed around 47-50lbs/min and the B flows around 57-60 lbs/min. both still use the stock turbo housing. from what i have read the spool difference seems to be 200-300 rpms slower than the FULL.
You are probably one of those kids that had a brand new bike every Xmas huh? jk
I understand your point but not everyone can drop $4k+ in one shot. I will likely be dropping around $3500 with a tune and labor. If I want to do drop-ins and a stage 3 head and turn the boost up to 30psi in a a year or two, I dont want to have to upgrade the turbo and a bunch of other stuff. Plus, I used to think exactly like you and over the years have sold stuff and lost my *** and replaced stuff and I am sick of redoing things. This time around I AM PLANNING IT ALL OUT, and in this case, that means planning for now and leaving room for the future. But I think the BBK-B with a ported IM and 65mmTB, larger FMIC, etc will still be pretty efficient. It's not like running a 37R on pump. lol....
And a side thought....think how many guys ran or run meth and stock turbos to 28+psi. The meth prevented knock and allowed the higher boost. If you can run this turbo with a couple supporting mods (ported stuff, a good fmic, etc) on 93 only to 28psi without knocking, then why not? Yes it will flow more and make more torque, but it seems the power/torque levels is then the issue, not the amount of boost. So if you are in this boost range the B should be a great turbo. Chad and many others have said the torque is still in a safe range for stock bottom end. So that clears that up. So why not run the B to 28 or so psi? Just want to hear some thoughts on this logic....
jkI understand your point but not everyone can drop $4k+ in one shot. I will likely be dropping around $3500 with a tune and labor. If I want to do drop-ins and a stage 3 head and turn the boost up to 30psi in a a year or two, I dont want to have to upgrade the turbo and a bunch of other stuff. Plus, I used to think exactly like you and over the years have sold stuff and lost my *** and replaced stuff and I am sick of redoing things. This time around I AM PLANNING IT ALL OUT, and in this case, that means planning for now and leaving room for the future. But I think the BBK-B with a ported IM and 65mmTB, larger FMIC, etc will still be pretty efficient. It's not like running a 37R on pump. lol....
And a side thought....think how many guys ran or run meth and stock turbos to 28+psi. The meth prevented knock and allowed the higher boost. If you can run this turbo with a couple supporting mods (ported stuff, a good fmic, etc) on 93 only to 28psi without knocking, then why not? Yes it will flow more and make more torque, but it seems the power/torque levels is then the issue, not the amount of boost. So if you are in this boost range the B should be a great turbo. Chad and many others have said the torque is still in a safe range for stock bottom end. So that clears that up. So why not run the B to 28 or so psi? Just want to hear some thoughts on this logic....
i wish i was one of those kids i could use a new new bike cause mine is almost 2 years old now. lol!! but im actually the exact opposite. ive built (or attempted to build) a couple cars the wrong way in the past, now that ive made those mistakes i think as i stated above. i dont drag race very much just not what i enjoy doing. my heart lies in the twisties and on road course style driving. i guess for some reason i dont feel the need for more power every couple of months or so, maybe im just getting old. your right though some people cant do everything in one shot but for me that is the ideal way to go, it ill actually save you some money in the long run especially if you dont do your own labor.
i hope im not being misunderstood here, i in no way am saying the bbk-b is a waste of time and or money, but just to think out your plan for your car and make sure all the parts fit thats why we have so many great choices. if you look at some of the results or talk to chad he has dialed the bbk b back a little on a couple cars because they are on a stock block or used for heavy track days. i dont think chad tunes to the very edge of the cars limits and i like that. i think the bbk-b is making great numbers and going to prove what it is capable of real soon, and i think its more then we have seen so far from the couple of results that have been available.
jeff
jeff