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Old Feb 19, 2011, 09:34 PM
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I'll see if I can get a larger version of the chart up on Monday guys, the biggest anomaly here is boost beyond what was already mentioned. The peaks and valleys mentioned all relate to boost, although peak was 30 it fluctuated by several psi, I have a feeling that many opinions will change once you see the boost curve with a little more clarity. Why thats happening is still up in the air, it's the FP 25psi actuator with a forge mbc that is at it's maximum setting. I'm confident there is a lot of horsepower available with a few minor changes, but Steve has been without his car for a while now, why not the let the guy enjoy 500whp for a little bit ;-)

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Old Feb 19, 2011, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by navysandsquid

503 AWHP 473 LB-FT @ 30psi Starving of Air

I was told some changes I should look into are boost controller, Rev3 intake, tubular manifold, o2 elim downpipe, Speed density and a different intercooler set up. The car is choking on the MAF I need more airflow

MAP 2.4R Stage 2
MAP Stage 1 Head
Kelford 272
Supertech Valve springs/retainers/Valves
Buschar Double Pump
MAP HP 8740 Head Studs
Aeromotive A1000 Fuel Pressure Regulator
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FIC Blue Max 1450cc
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E85
What are your cam settings?

I'm not a big fan of the forge MBC's and it could be a problem possibly.

Your IC is more then capable of cooling the air charge on a black as well, I wouldn't bother changing it.

Whats in the MAP stage I head?
Old Feb 20, 2011, 12:14 AM
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I smashed those numbers.. on 93. 481/444 MD

Who tuned it?
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MAP built and tuned common rogue i know its late.
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So is this a 150mm rod set up or 156mm?
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Originally Posted by xRoguex
I smashed those numbers.. on 93. 481/444 MD

Who tuned it?
I see that! that's why I'm tryin to figure out what needs to be changed. I'm not doubting the tuning. I 100% sure they know what they are doing.

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MAP built and tuned common rogue i know its late.
MAP tuned it too

Originally Posted by S13 Curtis
So is this a 150mm rod set up or 156mm?
150mm
Old Feb 20, 2011, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by project_skyline
What are your cam settings?

I'm not a big fan of the forge MBC's and it could be a problem possibly.

Your IC is more then capable of cooling the air charge on a black as well, I wouldn't bother changing it.

Whats in the MAP stage I head?
Cams were degreed an istalled straight up, no tweaks. I agree the MBC is a problem, as mentioned it is at it's max setting. The IC is fine, for some reason my tuner thought it was an Injen or something smaller. The stage 1 head is a valve job, resurface and assembly, no porting.
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Originally Posted by xRoguex
I smashed those numbers.. on 93. 481/444 MD

Who tuned it?
Come on Will, we've been around the block more than a few times ;-) When Steve wants to make 600+ we will be happy to address some of the remaining bottlenecks :-)
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In my experience, likely suspects are the Injen intake (not even an S, it looks more like half a swastika), injen lower pipe, BOV that is no longer happy with life. After that I would say cams. Chris, when you say degreed and straight up, do you mean the cams are on installed centerlines yet the cam gears are at 0/0?

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I believe (clearly I don't do this myself, I can check with my techs Monday) they are degreed to the specs on the cam card with no advance. As this is a 2.4 the cam gears aren't even close to 0/0 as you know. Appreciate the insights though, the filter is pretty old and yet another suspect ;-)
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Originally Posted by ChrisCarey
I believe (clearly I don't do this myself, I can check with my techs Monday) they are degreed to the specs on the cam card with no advance. As this is a 2.4 the cam gears aren't even close to 0/0 as you know. Appreciate the insights though, the filter is pretty old and yet another suspect ;-)
Only 3 years old ;-)
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Originally Posted by ChrisCarey
I believe (clearly I don't do this myself, I can check with my techs Monday) they are degreed to the specs on the cam card with no advance. As this is a 2.4 the cam gears aren't even close to 0/0 as you know. Appreciate the insights though, the filter is pretty old and yet another suspect ;-)
Which is why I asked when you said straight up.

That intake isnt helping though and I can guarantee that. It defies reason and CFD
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Thats a good point, if its the 2.4 and they are 0 and 0 thats one problem right there.

Part swapping for BOV's and MBC's is quick an easy to see if that helps.

There is lots of potential, I'm sure you guys will get it figured out.
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Originally Posted by ChrisCarey
Come on Will, we've been around the block more than a few times ;-) When Steve wants to make 600+ we will be happy to address some of the remaining bottlenecks :-)
A boost controller, and IC piping/intake is the only thing that separates our cars in parts.
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