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Old Aug 29, 2011 | 11:40 AM
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Thats impressive, care to share who your customers are?

The track is the ultimate piece of humble pie and it looks like you gagged on it a little...
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I was one of them

Stock ECU/MAF.


pwned.... nasty style.
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Old Aug 30, 2011 | 11:32 AM
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Keep up the good work. don't mind the haters. I do look forward to see what it will run after you have some seat time. You have a nice set-up
thanks for the kind words and encouragement.

Originally Posted by drb
I agree, there is no way to judge the power level of your car by your first time making 1/4 mile passes at the track. I'm sure that the VD power level for your car will closely match a Dynojet. After having worked with you on my tune, and reviewing the results that you have achieved on other Evo's, I am sure that your car is tuned to perfection.

Dan (drb)
thanks Dan. most customers experience the same thing as you, which is why i stay busy.
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Old Aug 31, 2011 | 02:58 PM
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if you want to judge somebody's vehicle power based on the first pass down the track they ever made in their life then by all means be my guest. to me that sounds absolutely ridiculous though.

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on another note: transmission was pulled last night, wedge collar (retainer clip) was in multiple pieces.. it pretty much exploded. clutch condition still looks great, however i already have an exedy triple hd replacing it for now but holding onto the twin hd incase i want to go back to it for a later time.

as for the other cars, search and you shall see.. otherwise i really dont care at this point. take care.

same thing with my twin exedy except not in pieces it just popped off.The worst part was where it popped off to somehow locked itself on my tranny making it stupid hard to take the tranny out.
I bought a ACT clutch after that....yes yes lock out was an issue after reading up on it i tested it it was fine for the first 1500 miles after break in period then i started getting lock out.pedal adjustment has to be one of the biggest changes in a car, guessing is a no no. it also felt like i had a slipping clutch me and my buddy took a look and my pressure plate was ready to fly through the fire wall.on finger tight.no idea why but we tightened it good and no lock out even at 7800rpm.for people with lock out i say 90% of the time is clutch pedal adjustment. exedy twins ftl lol
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Old Aug 31, 2011 | 03:29 PM
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same thing with my twin exedy except not in pieces it just popped off.The worst part was where it popped off to somehow locked itself on my tranny making it stupid hard to take the tranny out.
I bought a ACT clutch after that....yes yes lock out was an issue after reading up on it i tested it it was fine for the first 1500 miles after break in period then i started getting lock out.pedal adjustment has to be one of the biggest changes in a car, guessing is a no no. it also felt like i had a slipping clutch me and my buddy took a look and my pressure plate was ready to fly through the fire wall.on finger tight.no idea why but we tightened it good and no lock out even at 7800rpm.for people with lock out i say 90% of the time is clutch pedal adjustment. exedy twins ftl lol
wow lucky you found those loose bolts when you did.

exedy twin works well, i think i know why my wedge collar system failed.. last time i installed the trans i did knock off the clip assembly and i noticed when i was testing today once it comes out most the time one of the legs gets disconnected from under the snap ring so it weakens it by a good 25% or so.. makes it easy to pop off and on.. i believe i overlooked that and the fork stop saved it from happening for over a year.

so now with my exedy triple hd im using 4 wave rings since i dont want to deal with this issue ever again and shep, english racing, and others suggested 3-4.. so im going with 4. i purchased the stm fork stop also to replace my turbo trix one. i also have the restrictor removed from the slave cylinder which doesn't help matters, so im afraid to use the standard 2.

will put about 500 miles on the clutch to break in then see how it does.. then set proper wga tension then get back to track.
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Old Aug 31, 2011 | 07:54 PM
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Ya my twin wore out to fast lol but you should go with the 4 .
Might try the new qm 8leg next .heard mixed reviews on it ,the old qm was so noisy lol

Anyways glad to see some good results on your ride.as for the people hating or saying "VD is bad 1/4 mile numbers show the real thing." uhhh on your first track day that's redicilious .if I put my girlfriend in the top-secret r33 gtr 1000hp car her trap speed would be 60mph .does this make sense no.clearly tscomps times will go up as he progresses and gets comfortable on the track .

and as far as his customers a good buddy of mine got tuned through him and made wicked power and he currently holds the fastest lap at are ****ty little track lol.







Originally Posted by tscompusa
wow lucky you found those loose bolts when you did.

exedy twin works well, i think i know why my wedge collar system failed.. last time i installed the trans i did knock off the clip assembly and i noticed when i was testing today once it comes out most the time one of the legs gets disconnected from under the snap ring so it weakens it by a good 25% or so.. makes it easy to pop off and on.. i believe i overlooked that and the fork stop saved it from happening for over a year.

so now with my exedy triple hd im using 4 wave rings since i dont want to deal with this issue ever again and shep, english racing, and others suggested 3-4.. so im going with 4. i purchased the stm fork stop also to replace my turbo trix one. i also have the restrictor removed from the slave cylinder which doesn't help matters, so im afraid to use the standard 2.

will put about 500 miles on the clutch to break in then see how it does.. then set proper wga tension then get back to track.
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Old Aug 31, 2011 | 07:55 PM
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Woops quoted wrong stupid iPhone
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Old Sep 1, 2011 | 06:56 PM
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Ya my twin wore out to fast lol but you should go with the 4 .
Might try the new qm 8leg next .heard mixed reviews on it ,the old qm was so noisy lol

Anyways glad to see some good results on your ride.as for the people hating or saying "VD is bad 1/4 mile numbers show the real thing." uhhh on your first track day that's redicilious .if I put my girlfriend in the top-secret r33 gtr 1000hp car her trap speed would be 60mph .does this make sense no.clearly tscomps times will go up as he progresses and gets comfortable on the track .

and as far as his customers a good buddy of mine got tuned through him and made wicked power and he currently holds the fastest lap at are ****ty little track lol.
Larry with the evo 9 and HKS7460GTII? - ya his car made very nice numbers on 93oct. i can imagine his cars a performer on the road course, his tq curve downlow is very nice.

It'll be back soon with a new clutch and i will remove wing and prob put on some hoosier QTP's so i can see what it can do.

The 8 leg Quartermaster is probably nice also.
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
Larry with the evo 9 and HKS7460GTII? - ya his car made very nice numbers on 93oct. i can imagine his cars a performer on the road course, his tq curve downlow is very nice.

It'll be back soon with a new clutch and i will remove wing and prob put on some hoosier QTP's so i can see what it can do.

The 8 leg Quartermaster is probably nice also.
Yup larrys car.thing is a beast on autox . Can't wait till he fixes his wastegate issue post a even faster time.

Never used qtp's so keep us posted
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 11:31 AM
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Exedy triple good choice.
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 08:59 PM
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Nice results but I just dont really understand (this is my opinion) a BB Fpred/black costs $2500 off gate then you have to buy an intake, install kit(if your evo 8) Oil line kit, LICP, downpipe, o2 housing, And now your suddenly in HTA86 Turbo kit pricing. What the hell is the point? Once someone responds Ill edit this post because I dont wanna troll I was just having a conversation with a friend and I just dont get it. a FpBlack does not spool any faster then the FP HTA86. Also if you guys can point me in the right direction for maybe a different thread where I can post this that would be awesome, because I have much respect for OP with what hes done with evos.
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by evo4nr
Exedy triple good choice.


Originally Posted by ZanarkO
Nice results but I just dont really understand (this is my opinion) a BB Fpred/black costs $2500 off gate then you have to buy an intake, install kit(if your evo 8) Oil line kit, LICP, downpipe, o2 housing, And now your suddenly in HTA86 Turbo kit pricing. What the hell is the point? Once someone responds Ill edit this post because I dont wanna troll I was just having a conversation with a friend and I just dont get it. a FpBlack does not spool any faster then the FP HTA86. Also if you guys can point me in the right direction for maybe a different thread where I can post this that would be awesome, because I have much respect for OP with what hes done with evos.
I believe the $2500 cost includes the feedline oil kit, but i see what you're saying.

Now regarding the hta86 vs the fp black (stock frame hta82).. the fp black outperforms the FP 3582HTA so it definitely beats all over the FP HTA86 downlow. response wise the fp black cant be touched by anything to my knowledge that has the ability to flow 68lb/min of airflow.. the torque curve is not possible to touch with either turbos i mentioned.

Now if you want something for peak power and the best response then the FP hta86 is the best option period.. unless the efr turbos have something we don't know about yet.

The FP HTA3582 would be your next step up from the fp black.. while you're of course going to sacrifice lots of low end response and torque, up top its going to beat all over the fp black.

Then the FP HTA3586 is going to sacrifice a bit more low end, but then beat all over the 3582 uptop.. so it just depends what you're after.

If I ever left stock frame, id most likely go with a FP HTA86 based on all cars ive tuned and results.. the FP HTA86 is the most impressive to me when it comes to peak power and response.

A good turbo kit such as ETS or similar you'd be looking at what about $4000-$5000 with everything you need.

I'll update this thread with more results after I install and break in my clutch.. but i added another 6 turns preload to the wastegate so i think its gonna be a whole new game this time around. if i can get my car back in the 650 range i will be happy.

Originally Posted by analogEvo
Yup larrys car.thing is a beast on autox . Can't wait till he fixes his wastegate issue post a even faster time.

Never used qtp's so keep us posted
They seem to do really well on all cars that run them.
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ZanarkO
Nice results but I just dont really understand (this is my opinion) a BB Fpred/black costs $2500 off gate then you have to buy an intake, install kit(if your evo 8) Oil line kit, LICP, downpipe, o2 housing, And now your suddenly in HTA86 Turbo kit pricing. What the hell is the point? Once someone responds Ill edit this post because I dont wanna troll I was just having a conversation with a friend and I just dont get it. a FpBlack does not spool any faster then the FP HTA86. Also if you guys can point me in the right direction for maybe a different thread where I can post this that would be awesome, because I have much respect for OP with what hes done with evos.
The Fp black actually makes power quite a bit faster. Look at some graphs of where each makes 200whp.
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 09:39 PM
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[QUOTE=ZanarkO;9579132....a FpBlack does not spool any faster then the FP HTA86....[/QUOTE]I don't know that I agree with this generalization. Are you talking about a T.S.,or a single scroll 86? If single scroll, then which particular A/R housing spools best(maybe .63, huh?) Sure, a T.S.86 would be best but T.S. headers are not that cheap.

I always thought that a journal bearing Black spooled up quicker than most 3582 configurations on a 2-Liter motor. So,to me at least, it goes to reason that a BB Black should be able to spool quicker than most 86's , shouldn't it?
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 09:49 PM
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I don't know that I agree with this generalization. Are you talking about a T.S.,or a single scroll 86? If single scroll, then which particular A/R housing spools best(maybe .63, huh?) Sure, a T.S.86 would be best but T.S. headers are not that cheap.

I always thought that a journal bearing Black spooled up quicker than most 3582 configurations on a 2-Liter motor. So,to me at least, it goes to reason that a BB Black should be able to spool quicker than most 86's , shouldn't it?
hes confused.. but ya it goes like this:

fp green
fp red
fp black
hta3582
hta3586

quickest to slowest spool.. then of course lowest power capable to highest power capable. so you get something you can deal with and delivers your goals and then you will be satisfied.

bb doesn't really make spool to much quicker.. if it does its by maybe 150rpm. whats impressive with it, is how it recovers from on and off boost situations. it comes back to life much sooner.. that and its more rugged.. it will take lots of abuse and keep spinnin.
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 09:56 PM
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btw i never posted these runs i did for transient response in here. here they are (attached) 3k rpm 4k rpm and 5k rpm. (all 3rd gear)
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