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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:06 PM
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i thought the VE dropped the higher rpm tho? or did you mean to say that?

edit: ya.. looking at a speed density car i did. idle is lower ve then when the car gets full boost the ve is very high at its peak then past a certain area uptop the ve drops off.. the ve pretty much
follows the boost curve to a certain extent aside from engine restrictions
Yea, my bad, looking at my work in progress VE table it reaches highest close to 4500 - 5000 rpm and the drops as rpm rise (in my setup anyway). So I guess the main cause for the lower boost at drag runs is the much higher rpm starting point for each gear. NLTS can be set to be like a mini launch for each gear! I´m also trying to set that up for my next time at the drag strip.

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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:08 PM
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One would think a 'tuner' would understand and know these things but I guess everyone is always learning something.
rpm ve drops at higher rpm on most sd cars ive tuned.. so i dunno. but seriously if youre going to continue with your smart comments do not comment in here again.

you seen all the results ive put out on this forum.. i dont need to prove myself to anyone. i had 3 cars at the shootout that ran low/mid 10's on stock ecu with under 600whp.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:26 PM
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rpm ve drops at higher rpm on most sd cars ive tuned.. so i dunno. but seriously if youre going to continue with your smart comments do not comment in here again.

you seen all the results ive put out on this forum.. i dont need to prove myself to anyone. i had 3 cars at the shootout that ran low/mid 10's on stock ecu with under 600whp.

What smart comments? I was explaining why you had "less" boost when doing drag runs. It had nothing to do with mysterious "missing" boost, elevation, different locations, the track, etc. I was trying to show you the spoon instead of spoon feeding you the answer.

It's normal because you are in higher RPM and you stay there in drag type runs. Now you know that. Knowing is half the battle, yada yada.

Here is a smart comment:

Why didn't you know that being a "tuner"? Especially one that tunes other peoples car over the interweb?

/smart comment

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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:26 PM
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Yea, my bad, looking at my work in progress VE table it reaches highest close to 4500 - 5000 rpm and the drops as rpm rise (in my setup anyway). So I guess the main cause for the lower boost at drag runs is the much higher rpm starting point for each gear. NLTS can be set to be like a mini launch for each gear! I´m also trying to set that up for my next time at the drag strip.

Good luck,

Ricardo
id like to get the 10 sec pass with lifting then go from there. nlts definitely would help but my goal is anything over 130mph and 10's without any assist other then a 2 step.

i think i read people shaving off .2-.3 off their times using nlts.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:27 PM
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Curts car is nuts for doing those times with only 23psi. then again thats what you get when you perfect your setup like he does.

i am going to get it back very soon..

but what clutch do you run?

i was gonna do either:

1. rebuild my exedy twin hd but this time use extra wave clips + buy an STM fork stop instead of this turbo trix one - the turbo trix one literally chiseled a hole in the fork arm!!!!!! the STM one uses a big bolt end to rest against the fork stop so it wont do that..

2. convert to a exedy triple and do the same above.

3. convert to a exedy triple and buy the AMS push style conversion hydraulic tob system.

4. buy an entirely new exedy triple + the ams push style conversion.

now i hear that the triple is harder on the drivetrain tho? it will destroy the trans input shaft etc?

i also hear the twin is shot after so many launches, so that seems like a bad choice for a drag car. ( i have 12 launches on my twin hd and about 15,000 miles atm)

then i hear i dont need the ams push if i use the additional wave rings + the stm stopper.

I didnt talk to STM yet, but almost every STM car at the shootout performed amazing.. so whatever they are using works.... and im pretty sure stm uses triples with the stopper + wave springs on all their customers.

Interested in seeing your final clutch choice...Believe it or not I have been running an ACT 6 puck unsprung clutch & fidanza flywheel for 40k miles in my 6 spd...I have beat the crap out of my trans & clutch...AutoX, road course, 200+ launches on the street & 1/4 mile with my 2 step no lower then 6k...I hated the clutch for the first couple weeks but after that I was able to drive it like a stock clutch...Only had lock out issues going into 2nd gear the first time I went to the track and then never again...4th gear in my 6 spd has been grinding on high rpm up shifts for 30k miles (60k miles on it now) & now my input shaft bearing is going bad & it pretty loud...I haven't even tried to street tune the car in the past couple months before the knock sensor is picking up my input shaft bearing noise. I've run as fast as 11.48 @ 121 with my mild stock block setup & my 6 spd...It seems that Shep & the other trans companies recommend the Exedy Twin HDs to customers...I have already purchased the full STM SS clutch line & Clutch Fork Stop but I don't know how I feel about the Exedy twin, 1) I don't want to deal with the wave spring popping off like you & so many other people have had issues with...2) I don't want to have to rebuild or replace it after 15k miles...I may look into the clutch Mr. Brown is using...It seems there are so many different clutches available to us now...
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
id like to get the 10 sec pass with lifting then go from there. nlts definitely would help but my goal is anything over 130mph and 10's without any assist other then a 2 step.

i think i read people shaving off .2-.3 off their times using nlts.
Once you get your clutch fixed you should have no problem running a high to mid 10 with some ninja lift shifting...Have you weighed your car Tom? Sorry for all the off topic posts.....
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:37 PM
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What smart comments? I was explaining why you had "less" boost when doing drag runs. It had nothing to do with elevation, different locations, the track, etc. I was trying to show you the spoon instead of spoon feeding you the answer.

It's normal because you are in higher RPM and you stay there in drag type runs. Now you know that. Knowing is half the battle, yada yada.

Here is a smart comment:

Why didn't you know that being a "tuner"? Especially one that tunes other peoples car over the interweb?

/smart comment
none of these comments are necessary period.. that is the bottom line. you are just making yourself look very unprofessional and immature right now.

its one thing to help somebody, but when you're going to put them down when doing so you are really being immature.

please just stop it and be a normal human being and help someone without putting them down.

you are entitled to your own opinion about me, but keep it to yourself if its negative.

just because someones a tuner doesnt mean they know everything. clearly im a perfect example here.

i do not need to be a genius with engines to make good hp/tq from customer cars.. that is pretty obvious at this point. you may know more then me regarding how things work, but that doesnt give you the right to be cocky towards me and put me down.

lets just end this now.. you know more then i do.. i honestly do not mind that. you're probably older, and have been doing things longer then me as well. with experience comes knowledge, and with knowledge comes power.. but you are just abusing your power at this point by putting me down.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
none of these comments are necessary period.. that is the bottom line. you are just making yourself look very unprofessional and immature right now.

its one thing to help somebody, but when you're going to put them down when doing so you are really being immature.

please just stop it and be a normal human being and help someone without putting them down.

you are entitled to your own opinion about me, but keep it to yourself if its negative.

just because someones a tuner doesnt mean they know everything. clearly im a perfect example here.

i do not need to be a genius with engines to make good hp/tq from customer cars.. that is pretty obvious at this point. you may know more then me regarding how things work, but that doesnt give you the right to be cocky towards me and put me down.

lets just end this now.. you know more then i do.. i honestly do not mind that. you're probably older, and have been doing things longer then me as well. with experience comes knowledge, and with knowledge comes power.. but you are just abusing your power at this point by putting me down.
But someone that calls themself a "tuner" should know the BASICS, like your boost is lower in high RPMs during 1-4 gear pulls aka drag style pulls.

Thats what Bryan is getting at.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:44 PM
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Once you get your clutch fixed you should have no problem running a high to mid 10 with some ninja lift shifting...Have you weighed your car Tom? Sorry for all the off topic posts.....
it was around 3600lbs at ohio with the 11.3 @ 121 run. i had 24 gallons of e85 in the trunk during that run.

im 130lbs myself without the helmet on. im not a big person at all. the laptop was in the car and some other misc stuff floating around also.

i seriously dont care what anyone says in this thread go off topic all you want, aside from rude comments.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
none of these comments are necessary period.. that is the bottom line. you are just making yourself look very unprofessional and immature right now.

its one thing to help somebody, but when you're going to put them down when doing so you are really being immature.

please just stop it and be a normal human being and help someone without putting them down.

you are entitled to your own opinion about me, but keep it to yourself if its negative.

just because someones a tuner doesnt mean they know everything. clearly im a perfect example here.

i do not need to be a genius with engines to make good hp/tq from customer cars.. that is pretty obvious at this point. you may know more then me regarding how things work, but that doesnt give you the right to be cocky towards me and put me down.

lets just end this now.. you know more then i do.. i honestly do not mind that. you're probably older, and have been doing things longer then me as well. with experience comes knowledge, and with knowledge comes power.. but you are just abusing your power at this point by putting me down.
Ok.

Consider yourself having no spoons from me then. I'll keep my silverware for others from now on.

I bid you more interesting voyages in your future. Oh and look in the mirror and read your post above too. It's a good one.

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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:48 PM
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But someone that calls themself a "tuner" should know the BASICS, like your boost is lower in high RPMs during 1-4 gear pulls aka drag style pulls.

Thats what Bryan is getting at.
ya and you know damn well i know boost tapers at higher rpm.. i just got confused because im not used to logging my car at a drag strip thats all it boils down to.

no big deal.
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ya and you know damn well i know boost tapers at higher rpm.. i just got confused because im not used to logging my car at a drag strip thats all it boils down to.

no big deal.
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good info in this thread!

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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 02:00 PM
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Ok.

Consider yourself having no spoons from me then. I'll keep my silverware for others from now on.

I bid you more interesting voyages in your future. Oh and look in the mirror and read your post above too. It's a good one.
we have tension between us and it never works out no matter what happens..i think because when i first entered this forum i acted like a know it all and that got on your nerves. now atleast you can clearly see i shifted my ways and do not think that anymore. so i may take things you say the wrong way a lot of times. remember its text, it can be read out of context very easily. im sure if i met you in person we would be just fine.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 02:18 PM
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Interested in seeing your final clutch choice...Believe it or not I have been running an ACT 6 puck unsprung clutch & fidanza flywheel for 40k miles in my 6 spd...I have beat the crap out of my trans & clutch...AutoX, road course, 200+ launches on the street & 1/4 mile with my 2 step no lower then 6k...I hated the clutch for the first couple weeks but after that I was able to drive it like a stock clutch...Only had lock out issues going into 2nd gear the first time I went to the track and then never again...4th gear in my 6 spd has been grinding on high rpm up shifts for 30k miles (60k miles on it now) & now my input shaft bearing is going bad & it pretty loud...I haven't even tried to street tune the car in the past couple months before the knock sensor is picking up my input shaft bearing noise. I've run as fast as 11.48 @ 121 with my mild stock block setup & my 6 spd...It seems that Shep & the other trans companies recommend the Exedy Twin HDs to customers...I have already purchased the full STM SS clutch line & Clutch Fork Stop but I don't know how I feel about the Exedy twin, 1) I don't want to deal with the wave spring popping off like you & so many other people have had issues with...2) I don't want to have to rebuild or replace it after 15k miles...I may look into the clutch Mr. Brown is using...It seems there are so many different clutches available to us now...
I was told that if i just used additional wave clips and a better clutch stop like stm's then i would be fine. i like my twin hd, but it started to slip recently when it was cold. when its warm it still holds lots of torque tho.

ya you have lots of experience, and your times are really nice man. there are a lot of clutches for sure.. i noticed theres a lot of the same bran clutch company using multiple brands like the os giken and exedy. they are made by the same place i believe.
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