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Old Aug 22, 2011 | 07:39 PM
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Neither, was easing it off the line to no burn the clutch. I'm sure with a few more try's you would have been in the 130's with your Black, with fast shifting and 40 psi the BB Black is good for 150+
im up in the air and confused.. i dont know if i should switch to a exedy triple or get away from the whole pull style clutch stuff.

my retainer clip popped out and now i have to drop the transmission. I dont know if it popped because the clutch fork stop wasnt close enough due to the first launch at the track or what.

i heard from Will you were running a custom clutch to test its abilities?

Out of your experience what would you do?

the first pass i made when i went into 3rd gear it felt like i didnt get the car into gear.. it just went in like the gear was gone so i hesitated to give the car gas and it was in car so i just continued the pass.

is this thing going to keep happening if i stay with a pull style clutch even if i put the fork stop like a mm away from the fork arm?

i hate asking you all this, but you have more experience then most people on here.
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Old Aug 22, 2011 | 07:41 PM
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The Quartermaster Twins don't have a clip. Or do they?
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Old Aug 22, 2011 | 07:49 PM
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The Quartermaster Twins don't have a clip. Or do they?
i believe not, but its a unsprung clutch
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Old Aug 22, 2011 | 07:52 PM
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i believe not, but its a unsprung clutch
have you driven an unsprung clutch before?
Try it before you bag it
I have one, and i love it
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Old Aug 22, 2011 | 08:19 PM
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have you driven an unsprung clutch before?
Try it before you bag it
I have one, and i love it
i havent. ya im just going by hearsay.. i guess i shouldnt do that really. ill try to find someone with unsprung and drive the car.
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Old Aug 22, 2011 | 08:44 PM
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Its not just driving , unsprung is harder on the car as well. I just had to replace my input shaft last winter due to an unsprung clutch.
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Old Aug 22, 2011 | 09:17 PM
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Curt, how much power did you make with the BB Black?
All of it. Every last gram of air that SOB could pump, it did.
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Old Aug 22, 2011 | 10:07 PM
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If it's been on a dyno.... It should have a sheet. Said sheet should have numbers. I would expect no less than 750 on a DJ from curts car.
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 05:06 AM
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Not "officially" dyno'd. did 596 on Buschurs dyno, not messing with the tune too much or killing the boost, it was a little over 30, we we just chasing a bug the car had, Buschur reaplaced my Hobb switch and the lean issue ive had for months is gone. I will get to the dyno soon as a few more details are taking care of.

As for clutch's ive been working with Carbonetics with there single carbon blade system, as of now it's been by far the best clutch ive used for an Evo, in my opinion there is no perfect clutch available for the EVO, there is the stock clutch which drives perfect and then theres a Tilton carbon which shifts and launch's perfect but only last a 100 passes and sounds like crap under decel. All the clutch's inbetween make the car sound like a pile of crap or do not shift or hold the power(also pop the queer clip).

Then there is the Carbonetics Blade, at $1299 you get a complete system and it's push style and sprung. Holds over 30 psi on the BB Black, drives like stock(no noise), shifts better than a twin and won't leave you stranded with a popped clip. it did twelve aggressive autocross launch's no problem, it did however slip on a 6200rpm 15 psi launch on my car running the black at 28 psi, I will be working with them to solve this so people finally after 11 years of Evo's being around have a AFFORDABLE real clutch to buy.

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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 05:13 AM
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That would be absolutely wonderful news!!! For $1300 it would be a damn steal!!!
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 05:27 AM
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Thank you for sharing curt!
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 10:20 AM
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A non-multiplate clutch that holds power and doesn't sound like a bunch of ninjas and samurai having a sword fight for less then 1500.........HERESY
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 01:54 PM
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I would think a 600 hp should be doing at least 105 if not closer to 110 or even better. Stock turbo cars are doing faster the 95 in the 1/8th...
600 hp Evos are also well into 5th gear by the end of the 1/4. They also don't bog and get non bog like 1.7 60fts, they also trap well over stock turbo like 95mph in the 1/8, they also trap higher then stock turbo evos, etc etc etc etc

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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CBRE
Not "officially" dyno'd. did 596 on Buschurs dyno, not messing with the tune too much or killing the boost, it was a little over 30, we we just chasing a bug the car had, Buschur reaplaced my Hobb switch and the lean issue ive had for months is gone. I will get to the dyno soon as a few more details are taking care of.

As for clutch's ive been working with Carbonetics with there single carbon blade system, as of now it's been by far the best clutch ive used for an Evo, in my opinion there is no perfect clutch available for the EVO, there is the stock clutch which drives perfect and then theres a Tilton carbon which shifts and launch's perfect but only last a 100 passes and sounds like crap under decel. All the clutch's inbetween make the car sound like a pile of crap or do not shift or hold the power(also pop the queer clip).

Then there is the Carbonetics Blade, at $1299 you get a complete system and it's push style and sprung. Holds over 30 psi on the BB Black, drives like stock(no noise), shifts better than a twin and won't leave you stranded with a popped clip. it did twelve aggressive autocross launch's no problem, it did however slip on a 6200rpm 15 psi launch on my car running the black at 28 psi, I will be working with them to solve this so people finally after 11 years of Evo's being around have a AFFORDABLE real clutch to buy.

The clutch situation on the evo is a disaster. I really hope this single blade works out!!!!!
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Old Aug 23, 2011 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by milford
The clutch situation on the evo is a disaster. I really hope this single blade works out!!!!!
I've been running this clutch for about 12k miles now. Drives like stock. Smooth engagement with little chatter if any and launches my car with authority. I'm very happy and even more so now to see somebody like Curt endorsing it. I highly suggest the Carbonetics setup. Good to hear they might be working on something to hold more power as well.
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