FP Black Ball Bearing tested - documentary results inside.
I think everyone really missing the point of this. Your static boost curve will be very close as will your power production. What you need to be logging is power versus time. Go out and rip 1-4, and log boost versus time. Or roll on the throttle @ 4500RPMS from a coast down... log the amount of time it takes to hit 90% of peak torque.
check this out.. heres how it spins after regular oils ran through it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvjfasSGHQc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvjfasSGHQc
I think everyone really missing the point of this. Your static boost curve will be very close as will your power production. What you need to be logging is power versus time. Go out and rip 1-4, and log boost versus time. Or roll on the throttle @ 4500RPMS from a coast down... log the amount of time it takes to hit 90% of peak torque.
God this just seems like such an investment for a stock location turbo. However, I agree its worth the money especially for those who have visual inspections. I don't really care much for spool as much as I want a reliable FP Black. tscomp I might have to pick your brain in about a week with a few tuning questions, I know you tuned Beissens evo and he recommended me to you but I actually want to learn the more advanced stuff, I'm getting the basics down.
I think everyone really missing the point of this. Your static boost curve will be very close as will your power production. What you need to be logging is power versus time. Go out and rip 1-4, and log boost versus time. Or roll on the throttle @ 4500RPMS from a coast down... log the amount of time it takes to hit 90% of peak torque.
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I dont think this thing will make any special numbers vs its JB counterpart. The transient responce and reliability it what make it important.
200 rpm difference in spool is pretty disappointing if it doesn't have a major improvement in transient response between gears and from a mid rpm roll. Do you think its more responsive to the throttle (transient) than a JB Red?
I think everyone really missing the point of this. Your static boost curve will be very close as will your power production. What you need to be logging is power versus time. Go out and rip 1-4, and log boost versus time. Or roll on the throttle @ 4500RPMS from a coast down... log the amount of time it takes to hit 90% of peak torque.
What R/TErnie is asking for here is for a log of the time it takes to reach 90% of torque when you are already past the boost threshhold RPM and you go WOT.
For example, let's say you can get full spool at 4000RPM. Cruise up to 5000RPM, then hit the throttle. Log that vs time and compare to the journal bearing turbo. That's what's being asked for here. That's actually what turbo lag is, but most people actually call boost threshold as turbo lag.
I agree...I don't think it's being understood what you mean by transient response.
What R/TErnie is asking for here is for a log of the time it takes to reach 90% of torque when you are already past the boost threshhold RPM and you go WOT.
For example, let's say you can get full spool at 4000RPM. Cruise up to 5000RPM, then hit the throttle. Log that vs time and compare to the journal bearing turbo. That's what's being asked for here. That's actually what turbo lag is, but most people actually call boost threshold as turbo lag.
What R/TErnie is asking for here is for a log of the time it takes to reach 90% of torque when you are already past the boost threshhold RPM and you go WOT.
For example, let's say you can get full spool at 4000RPM. Cruise up to 5000RPM, then hit the throttle. Log that vs time and compare to the journal bearing turbo. That's what's being asked for here. That's actually what turbo lag is, but most people actually call boost threshold as turbo lag.
I agree...I don't think it's being understood what you mean by transient response.
What R/TErnie is asking for here is for a log of the time it takes to reach 90% of torque when you are already past the boost threshhold RPM and you go WOT.
For example, let's say you can get full spool at 4000RPM. Cruise up to 5000RPM, then hit the throttle. Log that vs time and compare to the journal bearing turbo. That's what's being asked for here. That's actually what turbo lag is, but most people actually call boost threshold as turbo lag.
What R/TErnie is asking for here is for a log of the time it takes to reach 90% of torque when you are already past the boost threshhold RPM and you go WOT.
For example, let's say you can get full spool at 4000RPM. Cruise up to 5000RPM, then hit the throttle. Log that vs time and compare to the journal bearing turbo. That's what's being asked for here. That's actually what turbo lag is, but most people actually call boost threshold as turbo lag.
look at boost response (turbo lag) between shifts too. Do you have any fast shifting runs logged?
for example- a drag run
With FP Red, it takes approx 0.7 seconds to go from maximum boost back to maximum boost. This is shifting as fast as i can.
Last edited by RSMike; Aug 1, 2011 at 12:28 PM.
i put 150+ pulls on it easily now. 8-10 tanks of e85 so far almost 90% WOT driving
the only thing thats pissing me off at this point is the engine. its going through a half quart of oil every 50 pulls which is getting really annoying. its still new so i guess the rings need more seat time but still a major annoyance.
its 145psi across cold atm compression wise.
robert @ fp told me it will give me more low end kick.. which it does, but for the most part will be the same.. which it is..
theres definitely better shift recovery and it does respond quicker on spoolup.
Last edited by tscompusa2; Aug 1, 2011 at 12:38 PM.