No sense in editing. What's your input?

 

Zero the bloody cams out and keep it inthe 11s.

 

thanks for reminding me how pointless the 3076r is

 

As I find time to tune that is the plan, but between work, my wedding coming up in 2 weeks, honeymoon and everything else time is hard to find...

Care to elaborate? I am loving this turbo thus far. There is still a lot of room for power in this turbo and guys have run in the 10s with it.

 

Wow.

 

Well you guys can come up with whatever you want about this car and tune, but people that know me know I'm an experienced tuner with good results. Here are the facts, I ran the timing on the consertive side and with the Mishimoto intercooler, it would not stop knocking unless it was ran on the rich side. I have tuned pump gas cars as lean as 12.0 to 1 at over 25 psi, but this set-up was not happy with it at all. With the new intercooler it was able to run in the 11's with pretty much the same timing in 20 to 30 degree warmer ambient temps. I'm not trying to have a pissing contest, but at the same time I have to defend my integrity and ability as tuner. Last, but not least, That bolt-on turbine housing has a 90 degree corner which anyone knows is not benifical to exhaust flow, and causing excessive back pressure and/or turbulance.

 

I just find it odd that as a experienced tuner, you add fuel to keep knock down. You would think that you would turn the boost down to a point where you can run a good afr, not just bandaid the problem by adding a bunch of fuel

 

And who are you again? Oh right someone who bandaids a bad tune with AFRs in the 10s, and the result speak for itself.

If you're such an awesome tuner I'm sure we would have heard about you by now? I feel sorry for the people you've suckered into paying for your tunes in the past.

 

I will take the fall for that one. I wanted to run 25+psi and no less, after all its why I bought the 30R. We were aware of the IC posing a problem once the tuning started and I started my hunt for a new IC. The new IC is on the car and now there are 0 issues and the car is much more happy through the rev range. I have been tuning the car more recently, but if I have questions Flyin Evo2ning (Yusuf) is the first person I'll call.

Well if you did some research, you'd see he put down some very nice power at Bushcur's shoot out dyno and then went in the 9s on all season tires. You're right, he has no idea how to tune a 4G63 motor... Just because he doesn't advertise on EvoM doesn't mean he doesn't know how to tune. There is more to life and the world of Evos, than EvoM buddy.

 

Actually adding fuel has always been a "standard procedure" to fix low counts of knock not just a bandaid,that's the reason why the low octane fuel map is always richer than the high octane fuel map,to add a little more gas to solve the problem,it's not the only way but just one of them,and as a paid tuner if your customer wants something done a specific way you try to make it happen the way he wants which might take some creativity to acomplish.

 

Now thats completely understandable. I can see why more fuel was added. At the end of the day, you got to make the customer happy

 

Some evos just like it richer than others, I did an 8 back in the day that was brought to me with crazy knock counts. I retuned it and the ***** would freak out in the 11s @ wg spring. Pissed me off.

It turned out the car was crankwalked by previous owner tho and sold cheap to the new owner. He didnt even get a week out of it. Sucks

 

We have an update!

I decided not to paint my car until after I get back from my honeymoon (or it may get done while I'm gone) and met up with Yusuf (Flyin Evo 2ning, original tuner) and we finished up the tune! AFRs are in the 11s until about 7500rpm where it dips to 10.8-10.9. We lost a little bit of torque getting rid of the knock in the mid range, but made a lot more power up top! The car pulls pretty hard, but the stock IM and TB are starting to kill the power up top (I know my next round of parts!). Here is the graph (with boost thanks to the Omni Power 4 Bar Map!):



When it made 414whp that was at 25 psi with the very rich AFRs, we are now running 24 psi (I know I wanted 25psi, but hell the power its making at 24psi is more than plenty for me right now) and making some very nice power! Even if I put the smoothing to 10 it is making 450whp, but I wanted to keep it consistent with my last graph so I left it at 6. If there is a problem I can always put it to 10 so you guys can see it!

 

that graph is highly inflated.. there's a big unnatural bump at the end that can not be accomplished with tuning.

take it on a highway or very flat road near you.

go to options and check smooth time & RPM box

redo the run..

looks like the cars under 400whp in all honesty.

 

I also thought that at first glance, but I looked at some other 3076r dynos and they all had the same little bump like that near 7000 rpm.

Here is one example of it on a real DynoJet of another ATP 3076r (On a basically stock car):



The hump is nearly the same as what I have going on and there are other graphs that are similar. As I said, even if I use a smoothing of 10 it makes 450whp (and the hump is completely gone in that smoothing setting). I will jump back on my PC and post the graph with the 10 smoothing. In nearly every graph I have had with this 3076r there is a small hump right around 7000rpm. I did each pull on a smooth and flat road (different roads though) and its there, I doubt that would be the case if it was inflated. One of these days when I find time I will throw it on a DynoJet, to see what I get on there, but to be honest it doesn't concern me as I'd rather use that time to get out to a track and get actual results. Trust me when I say there is no way this car is under 400whp. Also, this graph was made from a pull on a highway.