Isn't there another thread you can share your wealth of knowledge in (or troll)? I really don't care whether or not you like the tune. I think it is funny that you most likely have never tuned a car, but think you know so much about tuning. I am making an assumption, so I'm sorry if I'm wrong. Tuning a car is not all about making as much power as possible or a stock Evo would have made a lot more power from the factory.

 

Okay...you've gone full retard

Just because i dont tune my car doesnt mean i dont know anything about it.

What im saying is not wrong, your just being too defensive. Im not the only one who said your afr is too rich

 

I'm not being defensive. I am explaining why things are the way they are, whether or not you want to accept it is up to you. When the new IC goes in and I switch to speed density, the AFRs will be a little bit more lean. When tuning this car my main focus is daily drivability and reliability. As I have said numerous times, if I sacrifice a few ponies to ensure that, so be it. I'm not going to lose sleep at night over 20-30whp in a car that rarely sees WOT or 5psi for that matter.

 

I'm the guy that tuned the car that ran on the Dyno. I've been tuning 4g63's for over 10 years, and my EVO put down the highest whp at the '11 shootout as well as ran 9's at trap speeds up to 156mph in a 2900lb car on all season tires. This EVO mentioned in this thread is on a bone stock motor, with a sad 3" intercooler. With a more efficent intercooler, a leaner a/f could be achieved. The fuel is a band-aid for the taxed intercooler, and the timing is already ultra consertive, so it's the best it can do for it's paticular set-up while being ultra safe. I ran the car thru every condition imagineable to make sure no knock is ever reached. I don't just load a cookie cutter one size fits all tune. I spend at least 1hr road tuning, lugging it in 5th gear, loading it up hill, even break boosting it. You would be shocked at the knock count I see when I have to "re-tune" a car that has a cookie cutter tune in it. Also every car I re-tuned has gone faster.

 

I don't even think its about leaving power on the table with super rich afr's, its bout the point of diminishing returns, where the OP assumes the richer the car is, the safer its going to be. By that train of thought, 9s in the AFRs will be even more safe right?

If anything I'd run proper AFRs and take it easy on the timing.

 

You make me laugh. You drive your car like a ***** and when you finally feel WOT you get a tiny sensation in your pants over a couple thousand rpms of delayed power. Check my sig as my car actually gets driven and is a track car. Comparing yourself to me is ridiculous. Plus You're running a stock car with a turbo kit=FAIL. Congrats for having 2300rpms of usable power compared to 4000 off of the stocker. The ATP kit might feel faster on your butt dyno but in the real world the stock turbo'd car will win.

 

Great story. Seriously, why spend so much time hiding knock with such rich A/F vs figuring out why it's knocking. I'll tell you why, BOOOST leak. 10.5 a/f will cover up knock caused by leaks easy.

The intercooler is junk blah blah, it's got to be better than stock at least. I see other people with this setup and much less boost make more power.

What makes it worse is the ignorance the OP shows by trying to justify **** not smelling that bad. Also the contradicting statements must stop. Super über safe tune that's why it's so rich...we tried leaning it out and more timing...the car won't take anymore without knocking. <-- you and your tooner.

He needs a boost leak test, and please don't say "car has no leaks"

 

Wow so apperently i do know what im talking about....imagine that

 

I never said the richer it is the safer it is, I simply said my afrs are on the conservative side. I already know most EvoM members don't read and you proved my theory to be correct again.

So clearly you didn't read the rest of the post where I am making more power than my stock turbo was throughout the entire rev range... Reading comprehension > you. I've owned multiple high horsepower cars and have done many track days, but as I said I have other priorities right now. I don't need to take my car to a track, because I have nothing to prove to people. I had always wanted an Evo so I bought one. Originally I wanted to keep it stock, but the mod bug always has its way. I am going to find a stock turbo 8 and will run it, just to show you that you are wrong. So all the guys making power on the stock block, including many vendors on EvoM are retarded? Please reread my post that you only quoted a small portion.

Would you like me to video tape the boost leak test? Sure the IC is better than stock, but it is much better suited for a stock turbo (When I bought it, I had no intentions of getting a larger turbo). The core isn't that big and has 2.5" inlet/outlet. Are you going to tell me this doesn't bottleneck the system at all? Also the small core will heat soak very quick with higher boost levels, which doesn't help the car after a few pulls.

I have never been on a forum where people that have never tuned a car think they are tuning gods...

 

I've been tuning for over 10 years...

 

Well you are the 1% on here. I made a general observation, so I am sorry.

 

Why do you automatically assume no one on here tunes cars? Theres A LOT more then 1% of people....

Eveyone on here is not as ignorant as you think they are

 

Nearly everybody I know with Evos, can't stand EvoM because of the ignorance on here. I generally defend the site, but its getting harder and harder to want to defend it. I have posted dyno results a few times and every time I do people either say numbers are to high, numbers are to low and so on. In this thread people seem to ignore the fact that this is a low reading dyno. The owner of the shop said if I were to go right down the road to P&L, the car would make 10-15% more power on their dyno. This puts the car over 400whp which is on par with the other ATP 30r results I have seen on here (with this junk manifold as you say).

The 2.3L stroker Evo that dyno'd the same day I did also did a virtual dyno before and if you add the 12% to his numbers you get almost dead on results with the virtual dyno, so I know the shop owner isn't full of crap.

I honestly doubt more than 5% of people on EvoM (that aren't vendors) have ever tuned a car. Most people have a small idea of what goes into tuning, but no where near the knowledge it would take to tune their own car successfully.

 

See the problem with this site is people who dont know, like yourself, that make excuses to try and defend what they have instead of saying, " you know what, maybe something isnt right"

You constantly make excuses. "i was on the lowest reading dyno in the world"' "my tune is super safe".... Thats all bullsh*t. You think no one else has ever been on a mustang dyno in here? But let me guess, if they did it still wouldnt of read as low as yours the day you dynoed...

This site is here to help people. People see your numbers are not where they should be so they are trying to tell you what you can do to get them where they need to be. But you just want to make excuses and not take in what people are saying. Instead you play it off like eveyone in here knows absolutely nothing and your tuner is a god.

It is what it is bro. Just be a little more open minded

 

I've already said that with a new IC, there will be a night and day difference. I've also said we will lean out the car with the new IC. I know the bottlenecks in my setup and what needs to be fixed, but I have lots of other things that come first. The car is running fine and makes good power, while being overly safe. I have way to many things going on right now to worry about anything going wrong with the car. My tuner would love to actually push the car and is telling me all the time to go E85 and so on, but I tell him one thing, later. The potential is there and I will optimize it, but I'd like to make it through my wedding, honeymoon, home purchase and so on before I start optimizing the potential the car has, this is not an excuse, but simply a reality. My so called "excuses" to why the numbers may be a little lower than normal are parts that need to be replaced. I don't think that anyone can argue with the fact that a larger IC and a short route UICP, will not only make more power, but also spool the turbo sooner. This will help with the main two "issues" people in this thread are talking about. Remember, this car isn't fully bolted, it essentially has a TBE, cams, pump, injectors and a 30r, there is still so much more that can be done to optimize the potential of the car.