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The extra shift will effect the time, but a very very small amount in this kind of situation and not even so much that I would expect a repeatable gain from evo8 4th gear so long as he can slap her into 5th ok..Being a 2.4 as well even makes the shift to 5th even that much more painless..In short, he is losing acceleration, not time, and has made up for it previously in the lower gears, to a point, if that makes sense.
oh you guys are saying that a evo 9 5 speed gearbox vs a evo 8 5 spd as long as the gear shifts are fast since the 5 speed in the 9 trans has such different ratio's that the extra shift does not effect the time at all?
ya i never looked at it that way.. if the ratios are better to the point the additional shift doesn't effect the overall performance of the vehicle then i can see it.
i wasn't looking at it at in that kind of perspective before.. but i see what you're saying now.
ya i never looked at it that way.. if the ratios are better to the point the additional shift doesn't effect the overall performance of the vehicle then i can see it.
i wasn't looking at it at in that kind of perspective before.. but i see what you're saying now.
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yup i did
going into 5th gear is weirdest feeling when racing i dont like it.you never want to hit the limiter.. that should be a given. whenever you tag the limiter you're adding onto your ET..
so if you run out of powerband / rev range, and have to shift.. you shift.. otherwise you will just go into a neutral zone and the car will not continue accelerating.
so dont ever hit your rev limiter. if you're burning tires off in 1st then you lower your 2 step to the point it barely spins.. you'll get a better 60ft as long as it doesnt bog.
so if you run out of powerband / rev range, and have to shift.. you shift.. otherwise you will just go into a neutral zone and the car will not continue accelerating.
so dont ever hit your rev limiter. if you're burning tires off in 1st then you lower your 2 step to the point it barely spins.. you'll get a better 60ft as long as it doesnt bog.
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The extra shift will effect the time, but a very very small amount in this kind of situation and not even so much that I would expect a repeatable gain from evo8 4th gear so long as he can slap her into 5th ok..Being a 2.4 as well even makes the shift to 5th even that much more painless..In short, he is losing acceleration, not time, and has made up for it previously in the lower gears, to a point, if that makes sense.


for this to be true the car would have to be traveling 0 miles an hour for the duration of the shift
your math is so far off I dont know how to reply.
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i just dont get it.. thinking shifting from 4th to 5th doesnt effect et? how? for one thing its the slowest shift you can possibly even attempt on the gearbox.. there is no way to hit 5th fast.. the angle is just not meant for a fast shift.
he has a fp black not a stock turbo.. there is no reason to not want to ride out 4th to redline and avoid an additional shift.. may not effect et as much as i think.. but it is physically impossible for it not to effect et.
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on another note.. i did shift into 5th before with my car.. and i was watching the car i was racing beside me.. and as i shifted from 4th to 5th i stopped pulling on that car.. so the car lost its acceleration for the entire time it took to shift to 5th. shifting 4-5 isnt an easy angle.
it may not effect it as much as im thinking, but its definitely there. its like saying if you let off the gas down the track your ET and mph will not be effected.. its just not true.
he has a fp black not a stock turbo.. there is no reason to not want to ride out 4th to redline and avoid an additional shift.. may not effect et as much as i think.. but it is physically impossible for it not to effect et.
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on another note.. i did shift into 5th before with my car.. and i was watching the car i was racing beside me.. and as i shifted from 4th to 5th i stopped pulling on that car.. so the car lost its acceleration for the entire time it took to shift to 5th. shifting 4-5 isnt an easy angle.
it may not effect it as much as im thinking, but its definitely there. its like saying if you let off the gas down the track your ET and mph will not be effected.. its just not true.
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glad you can laugh about how stupid you can be at times 
I say it costs .01-.03 from your ET. But that doesnt include the half car advantage the shorter 3/4 give you over the longer 3/4. so in the end for 130mph the 9 box is superior. you say every shift to 5th costs 3-5 tenths. thats .3-.5. REALLY?
here is a post I made about it years ago, for people who can do math.
I am really tired of these type statements. It is really without knowledge to say your car will improve .1-.2 in the quarter by not having to shift to 5th. So here are some facts for you. At 120mph you are moving at 176ft per second. During a shift you loose acceleration but not speed. What this means is instead of being able to accelerate to 177ft per second you stay at 176fps during your shift. So what does that do to your ET? Not much. Not worth crying about. But worth discussing just this once. In a drag race I have noticed how much distance my car looses during a shift. In a really close race where you are door to door it is really easy to tell how much distance your car looses during a shift. For me it is about 2 feet on a good shift and 6 feet on a really bad shift. Perfect example is I was racing a mustang and our cars were really close in performance. Door to door in fact. He couldn't pull on me and I couldn't pull on him. When it came time to shift to 5th I look at his car and see how much distance I loose. Since this is a mustang and his gears are spaced different during my whole shift the mustang is still accelerating. I loose 2ft during my shift to 5th. Are you with me so far? Shifting to 5th costs me 2ft. but at a time when the car is moving 176fps. That means my ET will suffer by having to drive an additional 2 ft at 176fps. or .011 seconds. So in reality your ET will plummet by .01 on a good shift and only .03 on a real granny shift . Is this really worth crying about? What really erks me about this is all the threads that people are considering dropping their rear end ratio to the 4.11 down from factory 4.53. What this does is make your car excellerate SLOWER in every gear. Your ET will suffer 1-2 tenths from doing this. Be smart people and do some basic math. Relax and shift to 5th
I say it costs .01-.03 from your ET. But that doesnt include the half car advantage the shorter 3/4 give you over the longer 3/4. so in the end for 130mph the 9 box is superior. you say every shift to 5th costs 3-5 tenths. thats .3-.5. REALLY?
here is a post I made about it years ago, for people who can do math.
I am really tired of these type statements. It is really without knowledge to say your car will improve .1-.2 in the quarter by not having to shift to 5th. So here are some facts for you. At 120mph you are moving at 176ft per second. During a shift you loose acceleration but not speed. What this means is instead of being able to accelerate to 177ft per second you stay at 176fps during your shift. So what does that do to your ET? Not much. Not worth crying about. But worth discussing just this once. In a drag race I have noticed how much distance my car looses during a shift. In a really close race where you are door to door it is really easy to tell how much distance your car looses during a shift. For me it is about 2 feet on a good shift and 6 feet on a really bad shift. Perfect example is I was racing a mustang and our cars were really close in performance. Door to door in fact. He couldn't pull on me and I couldn't pull on him. When it came time to shift to 5th I look at his car and see how much distance I loose. Since this is a mustang and his gears are spaced different during my whole shift the mustang is still accelerating. I loose 2ft during my shift to 5th. Are you with me so far? Shifting to 5th costs me 2ft. but at a time when the car is moving 176fps. That means my ET will suffer by having to drive an additional 2 ft at 176fps. or .011 seconds. So in reality your ET will plummet by .01 on a good shift and only .03 on a real granny shift . Is this really worth crying about? What really erks me about this is all the threads that people are considering dropping their rear end ratio to the 4.11 down from factory 4.53. What this does is make your car excellerate SLOWER in every gear. Your ET will suffer 1-2 tenths from doing this. Be smart people and do some basic math. Relax and shift to 5th
it makes more difference then that ET wise depending on power level, but thats the last thing i say about it.'
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shift speed alone effects your ET and mph quite a bit.. now what do you think happens when you have one less gear to even have to shift to.????????
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shift speed alone effects your ET and mph quite a bit.. now what do you think happens when you have one less gear to even have to shift to.????????
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from what i read..
trapping 127-128mph shifting into 5th would equal 130-131mph staying 4th
NOW if i could finish in 4th with the stock final drive 4.59 my mph would be 130-131mph now if my final drive was 4.11 finishing in 4th it would still be 130-131 just at a different RPM in 4th. but the 4-5 shift would kill MPH
im done talking about it that is what i no is right not responding to anyone about this im done
trapping 127-128mph shifting into 5th would equal 130-131mph staying 4th
NOW if i could finish in 4th with the stock final drive 4.59 my mph would be 130-131mph now if my final drive was 4.11 finishing in 4th it would still be 130-131 just at a different RPM in 4th. but the 4-5 shift would kill MPH
im done talking about it that is what i no is right not responding to anyone about this im done
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