what do you think 700WHP in a full weight evo traps on a dynojet on average? let me guess 150mph+ ?

you better do more research before posting again. i can bring in tuners who tune on dynojets on a daily basis for a living that will back me up on what i'm saying.

600WHP in a full weight evo almost will always be around 133-136 on a dynojet at best. I dynoed my car on a really old dynojet and made 570WHP, with that same tune the car
trapped 131.72 on street tires and 18' wheels.

On slicks i did 133.16 with 590-610WHP dynojet in vd with the addition of the f1i intake mani + toxicfab tubular mani + removing seats.

whenever you see someones dynojet #'s low and the trap higher its because of weight reduction on the evo.

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perfect example on that list that the trap vs power is spot on 100% with reality:

Mellon's car at 708WHP on a dynojet trapped 139 with close to full weight
Toplevels evo trapped 142 with 707whp and weight reduction
Wizzo's evo trapped 125.9 with 508WHP with 3400lb (full weight)..

The rest are ridiculous above average results with people who can drive their *** off as far as dynojet #'s go.

so where do you come off calling BS on 630WHP not being accurate for 133.68mph traps? you are 100% wrong.

Mph even is sometimes not exposed 100% until someone that can actually drive gets behind the wheel on most cars
regardless what you may have read or think.

 

yea that

plus 90% of people that make 500whp + either A. Cant drive or B. dont track there car's...

ill still 100% stand by 610-625whp on a dynojet.. if someone wants to pay for my dyno pulls ill be more then happy to go and vid tape paypal me $50 and PM me.. i will do a pull going to the dyno on VD same day within the hour then go to a dynojet location.

 

Love a key chain!!

Most current is for 497hp. Not quite 500.. =(

 

Might I add a bit more information to an already detailed response? On top of the many factors that affect mph that you have already listed, I'd like to throw out a few more.

1. Does the car in question still have a wing or was it removed? That will absolutely affect mph by approximately 1mph in the mid 120's range. Quite possibly more in the 130's trap range. I can only speak from my personal experience of removing it in the 120mph range though.

2. What is the tire size? Tire size/weight can affect mph by as much as 2-3mph all on it's own.

3. Front bumper aero? This too has been proven to affect mph as well by closing off the side vents in the front bumper.

4. In addition to your comments about driving, how fast are the shifts being completed? Are the optimal shift points being hit in each gear precisely?

5. Wind speed/direction. A nice tail wind will certainly aid in a mph or so just as a strong headwind could hurt you by 1 or 2mph as well. Luck of the draw on this one.

It's not as simple as I'm making XXXwhp so my car should trap XXXmph even if you factor in XXXX weight as there are MANY other variables, if stacked together, could greatly add or hinder trap speeds.



p.s. I'm still waiting to give my info for that key chain.

 

very good points.

1. He does have the wing on the car
2. His tires are $70 junk tires (215/45/17)
3. No bumper aero
4. I felt his shifting was pretty quick. i posted the video of his pass.
5. Ya i have no idea about the wind that day.
6. hes shifting into 5th gear also

His car weight is 3345lb. (aside from the performance mods he did, its a full weight car with full interior)

I agree with everything you said 100%. you definitely know what you're talking about more than the other guy. no offense to him. maybe hes used to mustang numbers.

 

wow, I guess I hit a nerve. so I make a comment on the 630 hp and you come back wanting to bet me a grand that its 600hp so you just dropped 30 hp and your guy says 610 dropping 20 hp. then you say 600hp gets you 133-136, so if that's the case shouldn't 630hp be like 136-137 ? if I tuned as many cars as you have [if I could even tune a car lol] and had 1000 bucks to blow I might take that bet as it would be close, but my un-educated guess is more like 580ish tops but what do I know. anyways, to me 30-40 hp is waaaayyyy off, and another thing that's funny how whenever vd is compared to say dj, the numbers seem to always be lower never higher? hhmm. and yes your right I do relate to mustang dynos rather than djs. and I can't forget the fact that you mr. tom have a rep for being reeled in to reality some time back if my memory serves me ? but you do seem to be after real numbers more so now, but you disregard 30hp likes its nothing. if you did a re-tune and the end result was 30hp less then when you started . I now will apologize for pulling out the soap box for tom, which I believe he can spot from a mile away so but I shouldn't feel to bad seeing how I gave fp 7,700.00 of my hard earned dollars over the last 6 years. no regrets just beat downs.

 

I almost forgot, I had an idea? since you got doe to throw around why don't you help him fix his car than put up the 50-100 for the dyno and prove me wrong? and what would be really kool do a trio, vd-dj-track all in same day? good advertising.

 

a full weight 670WHP dynojet evo would trap somewhere around 137-138. even that would require a really good driver, unless its a light RS. maybe 139 if an RS.

mark his transmission failed on him, that has nothing to do with me.

I already did a comparison with a car similar to his here with smaller cams and less displacement. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...wo-600whp.html

Mark i assure you his cars well over 600 thats why i offered the bet (using it as an example of how positive i am of the cars capabilities), but honestly at the end of the day i don't really care what it makes on the dyno, we care more about track results and track times.

If i could tune every customer at the track and base the tuning off trap speeds i would, but i can't.

 

I made 635 on a DynoJet, and only trapped 132. This is a FULL weight GSR. Granted, I am at altitude as well. I know with more seat time my car had a 135 in it. Never know as it currently has no motor. lol.

 

when i say full weight i'm talking spare tire still in the trunk and the whole nine yards. no egr removal, no emission removal. 100% untouched.

but once you mod the first part on the car technically its not full weight anymore officially speaking.

 

also im going to mention it before someone else does.

theres far more to a dyno graph and number then peak numbers. power bands and the length the vehicle can stay above a certain HP/TQ play a large roll in a cars performance.

car A might only barely touch 400whp at high rpm
car B might be holding over 400whp for a long broad rpm range making him much quicker/faster than car A, but they both peak the same numbers.

At the end of the day id much rather show off a time slip then a dynochart though. anyone thats serious about their car and racing will agree with me on that i would imagine.

i also do enjoy sharing results of cars and their graphs though as well. i also like educating others on what part combination i find works well together, which is why i share my results here and post thorough mod lists with detailed explanations.

 

alright one more and that's it this is my last beer, tom you seem confused, in post 46 you said 600hp will get you 133-136 than in your last post you said 670 gets you 133-136 I was under the impression that you had somewhat limited physical experience at the track up until just recently, you need to get out more after all that's what this is all about. I prolly got more passes in one night of hot lapping on the green on e 85, 5 years ago than you got total. 11.0 11.1 all night long. I have my opinion and after 53 years it don't change much. tom your a good dude seems you got a lot of happy customers so you must be. had I not met Devin Schultz 5 or 6 years ago AT THE TRACK I prolly be one of your customers, so let me crawl back under my rock until next time. proofs in the pudding and dyno numbers are for smucks

 

oh and you are indirectly responsible for busting is trany cause you gave him all that power he needs to get a qm I had 3 exedy twins over the years and the qm is the **** I luv it

 

ya thinking about it more 670whp dynojet is usually around 137-138 on the average evo thats full weight. <-- thats my final answer.

i went 133 with 590 approx but i had the seats out of the car and stuff. probably 3150-3200lb with me in it & QTP's with the rx7 wheels.

you are right i don't have to much track experience personally, but i plan to. i did invest in a nice aluminum trailer just to get the car to and from comfortably so i don't have to swap the wheels at the track. I have estimated maybe 30 full passes in total? you probably have a couple hundreds i bet if not more (close to a thousand maybe).

from my experience I am confident Steves car will back his numbers up on the real dynojet. i wasn't trying to be rude when i offered the bet or anything of that nature, i was more so using that as an example to show how confident i was.

but i think you took what i said the wrong way, and i was alittle cocky i suppose when i mentioned the 650 and 150 trap stuff with the smiley face.

i apologize if i came off that way, thats not how i wanted to present myself.

but we are both in agreement and on the same page at the end of the day it sounds like. the track is the ultimate truth.

I appreciate the kind words. and again sorry if i came off the wrong way.

 

he is really quick at shifting. i am not surprised he grenaded his trans honestly. when i let him drive my car he shifted it much quicker then i normally do. the only way i could match his shift speed was if i palm shifted it, which i feel is hard on the transmission.

You didn't find the 8 leg to aggressive? its easy to learn? i heard if you downshift it and pop the clutch to quick you can actually lock the tires up its that aggressive. is that true or bs?

The car i was in with the 8 leg did feel pretty good. it felt more solid. the engagement was more solid per say i guess.