View Poll Results: Which EMS do you think is the "best for the buck?"
AEM EMS



118
41.84%
Apex-I Power FC



8
2.84%
Apex-I S-AFC/II



10
3.55%
Autronics EMS



18
6.38%
Greddy E-Manage



9
3.19%
Turbo XS UTEC



35
12.41%
Vishnu XEDE



84
29.79%
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Favorite EMS
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From: Danville/Blackhawk, California
Originally Posted by andyjd
OK how about straight challenge !
I will provide a stock 05 RS to a tuner, he can install his EMS of choice and i will get the results checked on a dyno, I'll drive the car for 4 weeks do another dyno run and return the EMS to the tuner, then get the second EMS installed and do the same thing then publish the results here. I dont have an axe to grind and have not spoken to either tuner before.
Are you up for it ?
Andy
I will provide a stock 05 RS to a tuner, he can install his EMS of choice and i will get the results checked on a dyno, I'll drive the car for 4 weeks do another dyno run and return the EMS to the tuner, then get the second EMS installed and do the same thing then publish the results here. I dont have an axe to grind and have not spoken to either tuner before.
Are you up for it ?
Andy
Where in the US are you moving to?shiv
Custom tuned or using baseline maps? Either way, I'm game Where in the US are you moving to?
I'll be moving to AL, travel is not a problem.
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From: Danville/Blackhawk, California
Originally Posted by EFIxMR
Hey Shiv, how exactly does the exed work? does it intercept and alter fuel and ignition timing?

shiv
Hi Shiv,
Sorry for the newbie question but lets say I have a few bolt ons on my car like , exhaust ,dp, cams and intake. Can I just send my ECU to you or tell you what bolt ons I have and then you can modify it or use the Xede and return it to me? Will it work this way or would it still be better to have my car tuned at a dyno for optimum performance. Does the Xede come with a software so that maybe one day I can have a tuner in my country tune it again for me depending on what other mods I do to the car? I do like standalone units but the tuners in Taiwan are a bit clueless and besides that those stand alones are not cheap.
Thanks
Sorry for the newbie question but lets say I have a few bolt ons on my car like , exhaust ,dp, cams and intake. Can I just send my ECU to you or tell you what bolt ons I have and then you can modify it or use the Xede and return it to me? Will it work this way or would it still be better to have my car tuned at a dyno for optimum performance. Does the Xede come with a software so that maybe one day I can have a tuner in my country tune it again for me depending on what other mods I do to the car? I do like standalone units but the tuners in Taiwan are a bit clueless and besides that those stand alones are not cheap.
Thanks
Originally Posted by Derek888
Hi Shiv,
Sorry for the newbie question but lets say I have a few bolt ons on my car like , exhaust ,dp, cams and intake. Can I just send my ECU to you or tell you what bolt ons I have and then you can modify it or use the Xede and return it to me? Will it work this way or would it still be better to have my car tuned at a dyno for optimum performance. Does the Xede come with a software so that maybe one day I can have a tuner in my country tune it again for me depending on what other mods I do to the car? I do like standalone units but the tuners in Taiwan are a bit clueless and besides that those stand alones are not cheap.
Thanks
Sorry for the newbie question but lets say I have a few bolt ons on my car like , exhaust ,dp, cams and intake. Can I just send my ECU to you or tell you what bolt ons I have and then you can modify it or use the Xede and return it to me? Will it work this way or would it still be better to have my car tuned at a dyno for optimum performance. Does the Xede come with a software so that maybe one day I can have a tuner in my country tune it again for me depending on what other mods I do to the car? I do like standalone units but the tuners in Taiwan are a bit clueless and besides that those stand alones are not cheap.
Thanks

It's probably not good form to answer that question on this thread. Would you mind posting your inquiry on our vendor forum at https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/vishnu-performance-california-85/ ? I'll be happy to help answer it over there.
Thanks,
Shiv
Just got back to this. Sure I would be interested. I would have to have the car here to tune it though or meet you somewhere with a dyno since that is going to be part of the challenge.
David Buschur
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David Buschur
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I'd like to thank all the vendors/tuners for keeping this thread respectful. There's a lot of information to learn from in here. I'm glad it didn't turn into another pissing contest, and this thread getting closed or someone getting banned.
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I think Dave excercised alot more tact in this thread than Shiv. I was looking for a tuner in CA as that's where I live, but after looking at the cheap shots fired here I think I'll mail order parts from OH and skip Vishnu for now.
I used to buy parts from Dave and raced with/against him at his shoot out in 1995. I never heard of any Vishnu powered eclipse/talons back then. I think back then the TEC-2 just barely came out and most ppl were using it or the Haltech as a standalone fuel management. I was using a VPC/GCC at that point, I think most ppl were in the DSMs.
I am so glad that DB is still in business and helping the Mitsubishi community. He's had more of an impact on racing the 4g63 than most have. And if you've ever dealt with Dave you'd know he stands by his designs and products 100%.
I really can't wait to see the results of this shootout as that's the final word on performance but as far as honesty and integrity I can say from personal experience Dave is top notch in my book.
I used to buy parts from Dave and raced with/against him at his shoot out in 1995. I never heard of any Vishnu powered eclipse/talons back then. I think back then the TEC-2 just barely came out and most ppl were using it or the Haltech as a standalone fuel management. I was using a VPC/GCC at that point, I think most ppl were in the DSMs.
I am so glad that DB is still in business and helping the Mitsubishi community. He's had more of an impact on racing the 4g63 than most have. And if you've ever dealt with Dave you'd know he stands by his designs and products 100%.
I really can't wait to see the results of this shootout as that's the final word on performance but as far as honesty and integrity I can say from personal experience Dave is top notch in my book.
im voting aem because i have one and love it. but then again for best bang for buck prolly would have to be somthing cheaper like the emanage or safc because they make pretty good results from what i have seen for that price you cant go wrong but if you got the money do the aem.


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