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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 01:23 PM
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EMS tuning is the KEY for good spool up!And 2.3 engine...
With the 2.3, get the 35r. You won't be sorry if you get it tuned right.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 01:27 PM
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See, you keep making these assinine comments. I make more on 91 than you do on race gas and that is well below 5K rpms. Give it up dude. I'm not saying the 35r is the way to go. It's not for everyone. Some of us can make it work quite well. You are so stuck on psi that you forget the purpose, which is to make power. Ever heard of someone bolting up a more efficient turbo and making more power on less boost? Even when the 35r is under it's efficiency range, it is efficient enough to run all sorts of timing, which makes a ton of power and helps spool in a way you have no idea.

Another benefit is that the boost ramp becomes linear enough to not unsettle the car the way you described your own car in an earlier post.
This is what I'm talking about. Just because a turbo does not reach full boost by 3500 or 4000 or 4500 does not mean it's not making power. What the hell should any of us care about full boost if, in fact, you're still making nice, big, linear HP on the way to full boost? I've never just run my car up to the point where it's making full boost and either keep it there or back out of it. I think that's the point STFU has been trying to make
Further, the stock turbo is laggy to almost 3500 rpm and makes very little power below that. I want a turbo that is livable on a daily basis, works well when I'm doing the twisties and make big numbers at the higher rpm's.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 01:28 PM
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With the 2.3, get the 35r. You won't be sorry if you get it tuned right.
Thanks man!

Can you tell me,how much HP will i have with my mods on 95octane?
And spool up?
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 01:36 PM
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And is it possible to use AEM with 2 maps, 1 for 95octane on streets and second for 108 octane(or Water Injection) on Drag?
And switch it by tumbler?
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Az3ar
yes the GT35R is not a street turbo on our 2.0 engines. WIK is a must or race gas. other wise enjoy the lag and no power under 5k...
The Gt35R will produce 400whp on 1 bar of boost. How is that not a street turbo.

I am not saying the turbo is only good for race gas/water injection. I am saying dont think you have to run C16 to hit that big number when water/Alcohol injection will get you there just as easily.

Saying the GT35R is only meant for a built motor let alone a 2.3 is very innacurate. It is hard to describe the power delivery on an AMS GT35R kit. But if we can make 550 whp on a stock bottom end then so can you. Hell I have customers running this turbo on a STOCK 2.0 eclipse motors running low elevens. When a customer calls in and aske me what turbo to get these are the questions I ask them.

1. What is your ulitmate HP Goal?
2. Will you ever run race gas/ use water injection?

If a customer tells me that they want 450 Hp but eventually wants more then why would I sell them the GT3071/3076?? Now if that same customer says I just want 400 hp on pump gas with a quick spool...then the GT3071 is the way to go.

I think the biggest problem people are having these days is that there are so many kits out there that are claiming so many different things. All of our numbers are dyno and street tested over and over and over again. Not all GT35R's are the same. Every single EVO VIII turbo kit I have seen is different. You are all doing the right thing by doing research on the kits but it takes a drive in one to really appreciate it. I know in some cases that is hard if not impossible but if you have any way to do so I HIGHlY recomend you do so. Then and only then you physically experience the difference in spool time. When I drive our EVO I am astonished how quick it spools. On the 2.0 motor is spools the 35R faster then my car does on a 2.3.

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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Az3ar
haaa you got me there....


look I am sure these turbos (GT35R) are great but let me tell you how much fun driving a car that hits 10 PSI @ 1800RPM and 22PSI by 23~2500RPM. Try driving these cars and tell me what you think? Its amazing to have a car like my brother’s GTI (he just refuses to change his K03 turbo) he loves it because he makes around ~240WHP and 250WTRQ. Do you know how much fun it is to drive around twisty roads and racing some cars on the streets? My friends STI and me will booth loose of the start if we are not paying attention. It's not always about numbers and about drag queen and dyno numbers It's about fun and FUN only. For god sake we all can make our EVOS 600WHP but then what? a GTI will come and smoke you’re a$$ between cars because your EVO turbo is not responsive enough. Our stock turbos (16G) are laggy with our 2.0 engine so what do you think is going to happened when you drop a GT35R in there? I keep going on and on and I know this is my opinion only but response and fun are on my list now and everything else comes second.
i resent this comment to the fullest because gtis are possibly the most UNsports cars i've EVER driven. for god sake the germans wanted it to be a euro show hothatch, the damn pedals aren't even setup to heel toe... AT ALL, NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT PEDAL MODIFICTION. the brake is squishy the clutch is hydraulicly assisted, the flywheel is double weight, even the shifter is COMPLETELY feelless. this car has all the luxeries in the world, heated seats auto up nad down windows, but GOSH IT'S NOT A SPORTS CAR and i can't imagine ANYONE enjoying canyons with this thing cuz it's just simply dangerous. but that's my personal take on driving my gf's day in and day out.

btw you guys are all missing out on what i've been sayin' and what ams has now reinterated in the above post. the gt35r and the 3052 are pretty much makin' more power at the same rpms than smaller stock sized turbos. just because you're not makin' full boost by who gives a **** rpm doesn't mean you're not already haulin' more ***. the only quirk to this is the when the stock turbos hit full boost they'll make maybe more power than a gt35 or 3052 for a few hundred rpms.

now to qualify what i've said. gt40 makes more power at every rpm range than my stock turbo or almost anyone else's for that matter. gofaster... isn't this the same case for you?

now i'm gonna agree with gofaster on the lag thing. it's all about driving... at the track it doesn't matter, you're always in a gear makin' boost, if you're not, your driving sucks. it APPEARS that az3ars turbo setup is more of a problem for tracking (at least for his driving style) than the gt35r would be for anyone else. what's the point of spikey power that you yourself can't handle when people like robi sam and mark (with br500, gt35r and 3052r respectively) make gobs of usable WINNING power!

and for your 3071... get some real damn engine management, get some real ****in' tuning. if you didn't notice, gofaster made an allusion to his own tuning and engine management or maybe i only picked up on it cuz i know what he has and who tweaked it in any case... it's gonna stay socal's best ****in' kept secret.

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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 01:47 PM
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 02:02 PM
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AMS you mean 400whp is about 450hp. Am i right?
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Yaroslav
Thanks man!

Can you tell me,how much HP will i have with my mods on 95octane?
And spool up?
Well, lets put it this way. I made 430whp on a 2.0 on 91. You'll make around 480 or so I'm sure, maybe more. Torque will look very nice on your car. On the .63 housing you will spool very fast, like 3800 or so. I am not sure how much more air you're pushing though. If the 2.3 overpowers the exhaust housing, you'll surge. A .82 housing will work and make even more power up top. It will spool around the same as my .63 on my 2.0, around 4200 - 4400.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Yaroslav
And is it possible to use AEM with 2 maps, 1 for 95octane on streets and second for 108 octane(or Water Injection) on Drag?
And switch it by tumbler?
You can save as many maps on tour laptop as you want. Loading them is easy. If you want to do it via switch, you can have the race gas tuned in the N2O section of your map and hook up a switch to activate that fuel and timing map.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by trinydex
i resent this comment to the fullest because gtis are possibly the most UNsports cars i've EVER driven. for god sake the germans wanted it to be a euro show hothatch, the damn pedals aren't even setup to heel toe... AT ALL, NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT PEDAL MODIFICTION. the brake is squishy the clutch is hydraulicly assisted, the flywheel is double weight, even the shifter is COMPLETELY feelless. this car has all the luxeries in the world, heated seats auto up nad down windows, but GOSH IT'S NOT A SPORTS CAR and i can't imagine ANYONE enjoying canyons with this thing cuz it's just simply dangerous. but that's my personal take on driving my gf's day in and day out.

btw you guys are all missing out on what i've been sayin' and what ams has now reinterated in the above post. the gt35r and the 3052 are pretty much makin' more power at the same rpms than smaller stock sized turbos. just because you're not makin' full boost by who gives a **** rpm doesn't mean you're not already haulin' more ***. the only quirk to this is the when the stock turbos hit full boost they'll make maybe more power than a gt35 or 3052 for a few hundred rpms.

now to qualify what i've said. gt40 makes more power at every rpm range than my stock turbo or almost anyone else's for that matter. gofaster... isn't this the same case for you?

now i'm gonna agree with gofaster on the lag thing. it's all about driving... at the track it doesn't matter, you're always in a gear makin' boost, if you're not, your driving sucks. it APPEARS that az3ars turbo setup is more of a problem for tracking (at least for his driving style) than the gt35r would be for anyone else. what's the point of spikey power that you yourself can't handle when people like robi sam and mark (with br500, gt35r and 3052r respectively) make gobs of usable WINNING power!

and for your 3071... get some real damn engine management, get some real ****in' tuning. if you didn't notice, gofaster made an allusion to his own tuning and engine management or maybe i only picked up on it cuz i know what he has and who tweaked it in any case... it's gonna stay socal's best ****in' kept secret.

no one said anything about stock GTi at all. ... the car handles great. They have GTI's in rally events in Europe all the time do these have bad braking too??
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 02:26 PM
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Thanks a lot man!!!
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 02:38 PM
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It`s a pity that we can`t go with 600hp on 93 octane
Like carreraGT
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 02:44 PM
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no one said anything about stock GTi at all. ... the car handles great. They have GTI's in rally events in Europe all the time do these have bad braking too??
Yeah, and not too shabby on the straights either. My buddy has one pushing low 11's w/ a relatively small turbo (GT2871R) and traps at 119mph, complete interior, drag radials...
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 02:48 PM
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Yeah, and not too shabby on the straights either. My buddy has one pushing low 11's w/ a relatively small turbo (GT2871R) and traps at 119mph, complete interior, drag radials...

I don’t want to post on this thread anymore. I have stated my opinion and the GT35R laggs no matter what they say. just for the people who are feeding BS here be aware that people spend their hard earned money for a daily driver try not screw them just because you love supporting your tuner or you want to make sales.
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