Yah, well, doing it in 5th gear would have the same effect as what you saw in 4th gear. That would indicate his 400+ claims are inflated like everyone else. If he dyno'd in 4th, like he said an MR should, then he's actually making insane HP for 93oct on the stock turbo and is capable of mid 11s at 120 on pump and maybe low 11s at 125 on race gas, all despite having to shift to 5th.

 

Bottom line is-


Upon request of the dynosheet was placed, still are "some" that has some disbelief of the outstanding outcome of my brother's achievement.
Numbers are there, let's take the lowest one shall we? 434AWHP !!!!! on a stock turbo? GEEZ that is comparable to a healthy BPU Supra (BPU=Basic Performance Upgrades and stock twins) and is a 6-cil.
His EVO will be at the track here locally by August racing NHRA. I challenge ANY of you that run awesome times on "freezing" weather to come down to SUNNY, HUMID, HOT as a BBQ to come and run good times. Who runs good here runs good ANYWHERE in the US.
Still ran a 11.6 and still room for improvement. Better times to come, stay tuned.

Jesus

 

This quote is the reason we should not even speak with some of this members.
He talks and argues everything in the posts. Questions facts and everything else. Yet, don't know the answer to the above simple and elementary question and want us to give the answer.
I have a dyno chart, Mr. BADASSEVO8. With the box cover on and with it off. Do you need to see it. I will be glad to post it for you. Is nice to know people with this kinds of answers, right? I got one with a BOV on and off, with Cams on and off, in pump gas and race gas, with flash, with out it, etc. Which other do you want? I am sure between all of us here we can find the perfect chart for you!

 

Jesus, I have shown respect and given props to you and your brother for your accomplishments and driving ability. 430whp in the stock turbo is of course a great accomplishment, but the title of this thread says 469whp. That is quite a big difference and can be explained by the "4th gear issue" on that Aerocomp dyno. The whole point of the argument that ensued was that these high-gear readings everyone in Orlando is getting are incredibly inflated and should not be claimed publicly. Miguel was the best example, because he was claiming 357whp (4th gear) when his true whp was only 307 (3rd gear), which was obvious when looking at his minimal mods. All we ask is that claims are made based on the proper numbers, not some inflated numbers caused by dyno'ing in the wrong gear on a Mustang dyno that has been set to mimic a Dynojet.

 

Here is another one. Probably never tried the trick, but yet feels it does not make any sence. I let you in a little clue. 1G and 2G DSM's all run intakes with the same Vortex Type Sensor and open intakes. Under hood hot air, and turbulence have never been a factor. Why would it be different in an Evo. My Talon was fine. My Eclipse was fine. Now my Evo is fine.
I been reading some of your posts. Seems you allways have an excusse. Hit the rev limiter, timing was off, bad 60 ft. shifted short in forth gear, 4th in the MR limited my trap speed, etc.
Come on man! Also, seems you are the best at everything you do. I don't know how you do it pal. Congratultions. You are a master in your game!

 

Dude, I posted my dyno sheets in the other, now vanished thread. I gived you a dyno chart from another Mustang dyno, in Mustang mode. Then posted a second sheet in the Aerocomp dyno, in the Jet mode. Difference between them was 18% which is what is supposed to be. How do I have to spell it for you.
Explain why you think I am wrong. You seen the charts. Take 327 whp {Mustang}, add 18 percent to read a dynojet, you get 385. What is it that does not meke sence to you? The facts are there! Do the math. What is the matter with you. The horse is dead!

 

Huh? Excuse for what? Timing was off, bad 60', shifted short, gear limited? What are you talking about? My ETs are great for my mph, and my mph is great for my mods. For what am I making excuses? That I couldn't hit 11s with a cat-back and no cams? If so, then I guess you're right. I guess I should just magically will my 4th gear beyond the rev limiter to hit 112-113 or continue to shift to 5th to get lower traps? What's your point? As your own buddy Scott said:

Yes, I have removed the top of the box, and it was no good for daily driving nor at the drag strip, so I put it back on, but I didn't do it on the dyno, since I'm not concerned with making hp claims that don't reflect the way I drive/race the car. Turbulent air _does_ cause problems for the MAF on the Evo. There are hundreds of cases of this with people having aftermarket intakes and losing power without proper tuning, so I don't know what you're babbling about. In your case, you have proper tuning, so you have no ill effects, but in Miguel's case, he didn't change his tuning at all and claimed a 15whp increase from a lid being removed. That's absurd considering NO aftermarket intake gives that much increase, especially with no changes in tuning to compensate for it...

 

1st , 2nd , 3rd , 4th

 

Uh, laugh, wow. YOu really are high-strung. I didn't say your dyno sheets were wrong or that the dynos themselves were wrong. What I said is that the people who dyno'd in a HIGHER GEAR on the Aerocomp (4th instead of 3rd on 5spd or 5th instead of 4th on 6spd) were seeing EXTREMELY INFLATED DYNO NUMBERS. I have no idea what gear you used on the Aerocomp, and therefore am making no disputes about your HP claims. Miguel, on the other hand, was shown to be a fool for believing his 4th gear 357whp by others in your own area. He was really only making 307awhp as the TRUE DYNO READING showed in 3rd gear. Even Scott himself said that it was much more likely that he had around 310whp than 350...

Also,

Care to argue with them now instead of me?

 

I am putting out 405whp on a dyno dynamics for reference. This is with race fuel and 26pounds of boost on a gt35r though. Those are good times for the stock turbo. It also shows that with a 120 trap speed I should be more around 11.4ish I will eventually get there Oh and in Phoenix I trapped 121.xx which is 1400ft. So at sea level I would probably be more like 122 or so.

 

So i will have the most whp with stock ecu , stock turbo ? anyone knows?

 

I dynoed 601@30psi at AMS at then at aerocomp I dynoed 638@35psi so you mean to tell me that another 5psi is not good for a 37hp gain because I always heard it was like 1psi equals 5-10hp and that would be 7hp per psi for me? Everyone there said it looked like it smoked the tires in third so that might be why it was lower in third? Jesus and those guys have there stuff together so I have no doughts about there equipment and also I know AMS would not benifit from making false claims (not to mention all the 600+hp evos they have had in magazines) and how do you explain my race with the s/c zo6 which dynoed 644hp because we sure were running pretty close together?

 

You know that dyno numbers aren't transferrable. Numbers at AMS's dyno won't be the same at other dynos, and wherever the Vette dyno'd won't be the same elsewhere either.

The claim here is that the change from 3rd to 4th gear on that Aerocomp dyno is totally bogus. You know there was no "smoking of tires" in 3rd gear. That dyno adds like 40-50whp to cars just by going to the next gear. No one is saying you aren't making mad power...we are just saying that Aerocomp dyno gives inflated numbers in 4th gear on a 5 spd. That is, unless you believe that the 03 with TBE, MBC, flash w/10.7 AFR, no cams, 93oct actually dyno'd 357whp (4th gear) instead of 307whp (3rd gear).

 

If Buschur can smoke the tires on the dyno with 393whp, I'm sure Chris can break them loose with 600whp.

I have seen a 600whp 4g63 spin those rollers when the facility first opened. The car tried to jump right off the dyno.

 

Scott, you should really change your name to Red Herring. You focus on the unimportant aspect of a point being made instead of the underlying truth, which is that "smoking" the tires in 3rd was not why he suddenly gained 50whp by switching to 4th. We've already established the fact that moving up to 4th from 3rd on a 5spd on this dyno results in inflated numbers that aren't factual. That is, unless someone here still thinks Miguel legitimately made 357awhp with no cams on 93oct and a rich tune on that same dyno in 4th gear...