Patient Mr. White Rabbit on operating table
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I think we should all kick back for a minute or two and appreciate how great we have it to be able to spend our time worrying about how much power a bolt on turbo makes !
I love you Evo M guys -
is a great place !
I love you Evo M guys -
is a great place !
Well Rez,
I'll tell you why.....
Personally, I have a distaste for whiners, bashers, doomspeakers and negative people in general.
Actually, I don't see how I'm being defensive about it, simply stating FACTS that I have, not assumptions or conjecture.
You're correct though, I should just let people talk. It's no sweat off my back in the long run, I was just trying to contribute what I could to the Evo community when so many were looking for ANY data or impressions about the turbo. I figured since I actually HAD one on my car, I might be able to shed some light about my experiences with it to date.
I'm done giving any more information. In the event that anyone has a question about it, feel free to PM me because this sh*t is bananas..... B A N A N A S!
I'm out,
Tony
I'll tell you why.....
Personally, I have a distaste for whiners, bashers, doomspeakers and negative people in general.
Actually, I don't see how I'm being defensive about it, simply stating FACTS that I have, not assumptions or conjecture.
You're correct though, I should just let people talk. It's no sweat off my back in the long run, I was just trying to contribute what I could to the Evo community when so many were looking for ANY data or impressions about the turbo. I figured since I actually HAD one on my car, I might be able to shed some light about my experiences with it to date.
I'm done giving any more information. In the event that anyone has a question about it, feel free to PM me because this sh*t is bananas..... B A N A N A S!
I'm out,
Tony
Originally Posted by Rez90
just a question tony...and please don't think i'm trying to start any sh_t by asking this question. but......
if your WR is so great.....why are you SOOOOOOO god damn defensive about it?
let people talk...who cares....if you bought the turbo....and it preforms to your satisfaction......what does it matter what other's on some stupid forum say?
if your WR is so great.....why are you SOOOOOOO god damn defensive about it?
let people talk...who cares....if you bought the turbo....and it preforms to your satisfaction......what does it matter what other's on some stupid forum say?
He defends it to keep others from being discouraged about buying it... If no one stands up for this turbo or reports good results, why would anyone want it? He is not defending his purchase, but defending it's results... Tony is pleased with his turbo and it's performance. Why wouldn't he want fellow members to have similar results and enjoy this turbo as he does?
Why dont you ask the people bashing it why they are SOOOOOO god damn aggressive about it?
Think before you post something "serious"...
edit: B-A-N-A-N-A-S indeed
-Ben
Tony,
Not speaking for Mark, but since I was there all day and night at the tuning session. He mentioned to me also that the last WR car he tuned was pulling like crazy. The temp outside that day was close to 100 degrees and 80% humidity that day. Not ideal conditions for a turbo charged car. I believe the difference was in the temp outside. At 7pm or closer to 8pm by the time we got to the car it was closer to 80-85 degrees outside. I maybe crazy, but when the weather here cools down, let's say late October you are going to see even more power out of this turbo. I am with you on the potential of this turbo especially with your set-up. I am really excited to see you run at the track next week. If you start pounding off high 11's in this heat you should be able to hit the mid 11's when it cools down a little. Everything suffers in this crazy heat. Cooler dense air means more power. Hopefully everyone give this new turbo a chance. Otherwise I will be waiting around to pickup a nice cheap used one.
Not speaking for Mark, but since I was there all day and night at the tuning session. He mentioned to me also that the last WR car he tuned was pulling like crazy. The temp outside that day was close to 100 degrees and 80% humidity that day. Not ideal conditions for a turbo charged car. I believe the difference was in the temp outside. At 7pm or closer to 8pm by the time we got to the car it was closer to 80-85 degrees outside. I maybe crazy, but when the weather here cools down, let's say late October you are going to see even more power out of this turbo. I am with you on the potential of this turbo especially with your set-up. I am really excited to see you run at the track next week. If you start pounding off high 11's in this heat you should be able to hit the mid 11's when it cools down a little. Everything suffers in this crazy heat. Cooler dense air means more power. Hopefully everyone give this new turbo a chance. Otherwise I will be waiting around to pickup a nice cheap used one.
Originally Posted by tcarretti
Al,
The ability to make 20-30 whp from this turbo has already been documented by my dynosheet. That increase was BEFORE it was tuned with the alcohol kit by Mark.
In fact, in one of the San Antonio meet threads, specifically the one about Mark from TT's tuning day, he even remarked that the "7:00pm WR pulled like crazy....."
So, is he changing his mind too? Was he blowing smoke up someone's a*s? That wouldn't be too cool, would it?
So either it DID pull like crazy or he was just saying something that he thought people would want to hear. I personally would like to know which one it is........
joeycoates is pretty correct in assuming that this scenario might cause things to be more prominent. I had no idea that my outlet junction from the IC was leaking. It seemed to hold fine with the stock turbo. After I found it and fixed it my WR performed much better. I still haven't even gotten around to buying and installing T-Bolt clamps yet, and I know that will probably help things out immeasureably.
I'm still running the stock BOV because the piece of sh*t Forge valve fluttered so badly I was afraid that it would screw up my car. I'm all about driveability and that kind of performance was unacceptable. So, if I could find a BOV that could hold big boost, but be as smooth as the stocker would my performance be even better....... sure would..........
I'll be back on the dyno on July 30th at the same place where I baselined before the WR and after the WR.
I don't know if they'll have time in their schedule, but I'd like to see if they could extract more than what's there. Mohammed at MZM who originally tuned the car the day of the WR install told me that the turbo felt really good but I was restricted in the amount of time that I gave him to tune it. Even so, I realized a 27hp increase and 21 lb/ft of TQ both at the same RPM as the stocker.
I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't expecting more power too. Heck, everyone prays that the next mod they do is going to make a world of difference......
BUT, I like the way the car feels. It's the fastest thing I've ever driven and I know that as good as I think I am, I'm nowhere near exploring the limits that it produce. In other words, it's still more car than I can handle at this time. Do I want more power......... YES!! who doesn't.......???
Peace,
Tony
The ability to make 20-30 whp from this turbo has already been documented by my dynosheet. That increase was BEFORE it was tuned with the alcohol kit by Mark.
In fact, in one of the San Antonio meet threads, specifically the one about Mark from TT's tuning day, he even remarked that the "7:00pm WR pulled like crazy....."
So, is he changing his mind too? Was he blowing smoke up someone's a*s? That wouldn't be too cool, would it?
So either it DID pull like crazy or he was just saying something that he thought people would want to hear. I personally would like to know which one it is........
joeycoates is pretty correct in assuming that this scenario might cause things to be more prominent. I had no idea that my outlet junction from the IC was leaking. It seemed to hold fine with the stock turbo. After I found it and fixed it my WR performed much better. I still haven't even gotten around to buying and installing T-Bolt clamps yet, and I know that will probably help things out immeasureably.
I'm still running the stock BOV because the piece of sh*t Forge valve fluttered so badly I was afraid that it would screw up my car. I'm all about driveability and that kind of performance was unacceptable. So, if I could find a BOV that could hold big boost, but be as smooth as the stocker would my performance be even better....... sure would..........
I'll be back on the dyno on July 30th at the same place where I baselined before the WR and after the WR.
I don't know if they'll have time in their schedule, but I'd like to see if they could extract more than what's there. Mohammed at MZM who originally tuned the car the day of the WR install told me that the turbo felt really good but I was restricted in the amount of time that I gave him to tune it. Even so, I realized a 27hp increase and 21 lb/ft of TQ both at the same RPM as the stocker.
I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't expecting more power too. Heck, everyone prays that the next mod they do is going to make a world of difference......
BUT, I like the way the car feels. It's the fastest thing I've ever driven and I know that as good as I think I am, I'm nowhere near exploring the limits that it produce. In other words, it's still more car than I can handle at this time. Do I want more power......... YES!! who doesn't.......???
Peace,
Tony
I think everyone is losing sight of the real point. To Al's credit he is trying to get that point across.
No one is saying the turbo is a piece of sh|t. The complaint is, all the release hype is just no close to the actual output people have seen thus far. Up to 70+ HP as posted on FP site has not been seen yet by anyone let alone the 441 WHP reported.
One would assume the 70 HP increase would be with the necessary supporting mods and there have been a few with the necessary mods to make that kind of gain. So far it just has not happened and that is what everyone is *****ing about.
And while I am on the subject, the moderators are allowed to have opinions too. Everyone jumped on stvbreal for making a joke. Since we spend our a good amount of time on this site we know a lot of the members and vendors and would prefer that everyone be happy with the turbo or any part for that matter. It's less work for us in the long run.
No one is saying the turbo is a piece of sh|t. The complaint is, all the release hype is just no close to the actual output people have seen thus far. Up to 70+ HP as posted on FP site has not been seen yet by anyone let alone the 441 WHP reported.
One would assume the 70 HP increase would be with the necessary supporting mods and there have been a few with the necessary mods to make that kind of gain. So far it just has not happened and that is what everyone is *****ing about.
And while I am on the subject, the moderators are allowed to have opinions too. Everyone jumped on stvbreal for making a joke. Since we spend our a good amount of time on this site we know a lot of the members and vendors and would prefer that everyone be happy with the turbo or any part for that matter. It's less work for us in the long run.
Originally Posted by timzcat
I think everyone is losing sight of the real point. To Al's credit he is trying to get that point across.
No one is saying the turbo is a piece of sh|t. The complaint is, all the release hype is just no close to the actual output people have seen thus far. Up to 70+ HP as posted on FP site has not been seen yet by anyone let alone the 441 WHP reported.
One would assume the 70 HP increase would be with the necessary supporting mods and there have been a few with the necessary mods to make that kind of gain. So far it just has not happened and that is what everyone is *****ing about.
And while I am on the subject, the moderators are allowed to have opinions too. Everyone jumped on stvbreal for making a joke. Since we spend our a good amount of time on this site we know a lot of the members and vendors and would prefer that everyone be happy with the turbo or any part for that matter. It's less work for us in the long run.
No one is saying the turbo is a piece of sh|t. The complaint is, all the release hype is just no close to the actual output people have seen thus far. Up to 70+ HP as posted on FP site has not been seen yet by anyone let alone the 441 WHP reported.
One would assume the 70 HP increase would be with the necessary supporting mods and there have been a few with the necessary mods to make that kind of gain. So far it just has not happened and that is what everyone is *****ing about.
And while I am on the subject, the moderators are allowed to have opinions too. Everyone jumped on stvbreal for making a joke. Since we spend our a good amount of time on this site we know a lot of the members and vendors and would prefer that everyone be happy with the turbo or any part for that matter. It's less work for us in the long run.
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Originally Posted by j8
Tony,
Not speaking for Mark, but since I was there all day and night at the tuning session. He mentioned to me also that the last WR car he tuned was pulling like crazy. The temp outside that day was close to 100 degrees and 80% humidity that day. Not ideal conditions for a turbo charged car. I believe the difference was in the temp outside. At 7pm or closer to 8pm by the time we got to the car it was closer to 80-85 degrees outside. I maybe crazy, but when the weather here cools down, let's say late October you are going to see even more power out of this turbo. I am with you on the potential of this turbo especially with your set-up. I am really excited to see you run at the track next week. If you start pounding off high 11's in this heat you should be able to hit the mid 11's when it cools down a little. Everything suffers in this crazy heat. Cooler dense air means more power. Hopefully everyone give this new turbo a chance. Otherwise I will be waiting around to pickup a nice cheap used one.
Not speaking for Mark, but since I was there all day and night at the tuning session. He mentioned to me also that the last WR car he tuned was pulling like crazy. The temp outside that day was close to 100 degrees and 80% humidity that day. Not ideal conditions for a turbo charged car. I believe the difference was in the temp outside. At 7pm or closer to 8pm by the time we got to the car it was closer to 80-85 degrees outside. I maybe crazy, but when the weather here cools down, let's say late October you are going to see even more power out of this turbo. I am with you on the potential of this turbo especially with your set-up. I am really excited to see you run at the track next week. If you start pounding off high 11's in this heat you should be able to hit the mid 11's when it cools down a little. Everything suffers in this crazy heat. Cooler dense air means more power. Hopefully everyone give this new turbo a chance. Otherwise I will be waiting around to pickup a nice cheap used one.
Originally Posted by tcarretti
Al,
The ability to make 20-30 whp from this turbo has already been documented by my dynosheet. That increase was BEFORE it was tuned with the alcohol kit by Mark.
In fact, in one of the San Antonio meet threads, specifically the one about Mark from TT's tuning day, he even remarked that the "7:00pm WR pulled like crazy....."
So, is he changing his mind too? Was he blowing smoke up someone's a*s? That wouldn't be too cool, would it?
So either it DID pull like crazy or he was just saying something that he thought people would want to hear. I personally would like to know which one it is........
joeycoates is pretty correct in assuming that this scenario might cause things to be more prominent. I had no idea that my outlet junction from the IC was leaking. It seemed to hold fine with the stock turbo. After I found it and fixed it my WR performed much better. I still haven't even gotten around to buying and installing T-Bolt clamps yet, and I know that will probably help things out immeasureably.
I'm still running the stock BOV because the piece of sh*t Forge valve fluttered so badly I was afraid that it would screw up my car. I'm all about driveability and that kind of performance was unacceptable. So, if I could find a BOV that could hold big boost, but be as smooth as the stocker would my performance be even better....... sure would..........
I'll be back on the dyno on July 30th at the same place where I baselined before the WR and after the WR.
I don't know if they'll have time in their schedule, but I'd like to see if they could extract more than what's there. Mohammed at MZM who originally tuned the car the day of the WR install told me that the turbo felt really good but I was restricted in the amount of time that I gave him to tune it. Even so, I realized a 27hp increase and 21 lb/ft of TQ both at the same RPM as the stocker.
I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't expecting more power too. Heck, everyone prays that the next mod they do is going to make a world of difference......
BUT, I like the way the car feels. It's the fastest thing I've ever driven and I know that as good as I think I am, I'm nowhere near exploring the limits that it produce. In other words, it's still more car than I can handle at this time. Do I want more power......... YES!! who doesn't.......???
Peace,
Tony
The ability to make 20-30 whp from this turbo has already been documented by my dynosheet. That increase was BEFORE it was tuned with the alcohol kit by Mark.
In fact, in one of the San Antonio meet threads, specifically the one about Mark from TT's tuning day, he even remarked that the "7:00pm WR pulled like crazy....."
So, is he changing his mind too? Was he blowing smoke up someone's a*s? That wouldn't be too cool, would it?
So either it DID pull like crazy or he was just saying something that he thought people would want to hear. I personally would like to know which one it is........
joeycoates is pretty correct in assuming that this scenario might cause things to be more prominent. I had no idea that my outlet junction from the IC was leaking. It seemed to hold fine with the stock turbo. After I found it and fixed it my WR performed much better. I still haven't even gotten around to buying and installing T-Bolt clamps yet, and I know that will probably help things out immeasureably.
I'm still running the stock BOV because the piece of sh*t Forge valve fluttered so badly I was afraid that it would screw up my car. I'm all about driveability and that kind of performance was unacceptable. So, if I could find a BOV that could hold big boost, but be as smooth as the stocker would my performance be even better....... sure would..........
I'll be back on the dyno on July 30th at the same place where I baselined before the WR and after the WR.
I don't know if they'll have time in their schedule, but I'd like to see if they could extract more than what's there. Mohammed at MZM who originally tuned the car the day of the WR install told me that the turbo felt really good but I was restricted in the amount of time that I gave him to tune it. Even so, I realized a 27hp increase and 21 lb/ft of TQ both at the same RPM as the stocker.
I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't expecting more power too. Heck, everyone prays that the next mod they do is going to make a world of difference......
BUT, I like the way the car feels. It's the fastest thing I've ever driven and I know that as good as I think I am, I'm nowhere near exploring the limits that it produce. In other words, it's still more car than I can handle at this time. Do I want more power......... YES!! who doesn't.......???
Peace,
Tony
your car did feel great..., but remember we were running 25psi of boost with alcohol,, i was talking about reg pump gas , WR compared to stock turbo. I dont think your car would be a good comparison.. Sorry if it sounded i was blowing smoke up your ***, but i wasnt. Your car felt great.. But normal cars down run that kind of boost. Dont forget you had the stock bov as well.., and we couldnt get the boost higher. I would never blow smoke to a guy 9x's my size ..
take care
mark
turbotrix
P.S. .. maybe a better way to of launched this turbo before everyone went out and bought one would of been to give a turbo to some flash tuners and have them test it , 22psi and pump gas on a stock ecu car.. and then sold them. I think this thread wouldnt be here had the public known it would be only good for 20whp gains .. and not 140 whp gains..
I wouldn't expect 441whp out of a 'normal joe' car. One thing to keep in mind is Switzer was also using VP IMPORT fuel on his dyno runs. That fuel itself is proven for some gains over C-16. Couple that with the fact that dynos read differently, and the car in quetsion could have been tuned on the very edge and posssibly could not hold that tune on the street, and you have an explanation. Wait until the turbo hits the track to see what MPH it pulls. The track don't lie, the dynos can.
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Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
Tony ,,
your car did feel great..., but remember we were running 25psi of boost with alcohol,, i was talking about reg pump gas , WR compared to stock turbo. I dont think your car would be a good comparison.. Sorry if it sounded i was blowing smoke up your ***, but i wasnt. Your car felt great.. But normal cars down run that kind of boost. Dont forget you had the stock bov as well.., and we couldnt get the boost higher. I would never blow smoke to a guy 9x's my size ..
take care
mark
turbotrix
P.S. .. maybe a better way to of launched this turbo before everyone went out and bought one would of been to give a turbo to some flash tuners and have them test it , 22psi and pump gas on a stock ecu car.. and then sold them. I think this thread wouldnt be here had the public known it would be only good for 20whp gains .. and not 140 whp gains..
your car did feel great..., but remember we were running 25psi of boost with alcohol,, i was talking about reg pump gas , WR compared to stock turbo. I dont think your car would be a good comparison.. Sorry if it sounded i was blowing smoke up your ***, but i wasnt. Your car felt great.. But normal cars down run that kind of boost. Dont forget you had the stock bov as well.., and we couldnt get the boost higher. I would never blow smoke to a guy 9x's my size ..
take care
mark
turbotrix
P.S. .. maybe a better way to of launched this turbo before everyone went out and bought one would of been to give a turbo to some flash tuners and have them test it , 22psi and pump gas on a stock ecu car.. and then sold them. I think this thread wouldnt be here had the public known it would be only good for 20whp gains .. and not 140 whp gains..
racegate,
Thank you for the comment on the VP Import racing fuel, it is LONG overdue, LONG. That was one of the original points about the tuning of that turbo that I personally threw a flag up in my own mind for. VP Import fuel will make quite a bit more power than C16 or the Torco 118 we use. IF it didn't guys wouldn't pay rediculous money for the difference in the two fuels. Look at just about every single Pro Import car that is still running gas, they use it, we've used it too. Good, no great, stuff.
BTW, my offer still stands for testing one of these. Hell bring your own tuner, I could care less. Our dyno should be in this coming week. My only stipulation to putting up my dyno for free and my tuning time is that we dyno the car on the stock turbo first and then switch turbos the same day so we can dyno again right away.
Also, I see a lot of talk about the TD05H turbine wheel sucking. I agree to a point. As a matter of fact I caught some crap on this subject too when I said the wheel needed to be clipped. A bunch of "experts" jumped on and bragged how the WR worked without clipping. Some of you may want to put a clip on the turbo and watch it pick up.
Back in the day we ran 10.72 at 132 mph with a standard 20G compressor wheel and a clipped TD05H turbine wheel. The clipping is important, maybe as time goes more people will realize I don't just type on EVO M because I am bored and want to read something I wrote.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Thank you for the comment on the VP Import racing fuel, it is LONG overdue, LONG. That was one of the original points about the tuning of that turbo that I personally threw a flag up in my own mind for. VP Import fuel will make quite a bit more power than C16 or the Torco 118 we use. IF it didn't guys wouldn't pay rediculous money for the difference in the two fuels. Look at just about every single Pro Import car that is still running gas, they use it, we've used it too. Good, no great, stuff.
BTW, my offer still stands for testing one of these. Hell bring your own tuner, I could care less. Our dyno should be in this coming week. My only stipulation to putting up my dyno for free and my tuning time is that we dyno the car on the stock turbo first and then switch turbos the same day so we can dyno again right away.
Also, I see a lot of talk about the TD05H turbine wheel sucking. I agree to a point. As a matter of fact I caught some crap on this subject too when I said the wheel needed to be clipped. A bunch of "experts" jumped on and bragged how the WR worked without clipping. Some of you may want to put a clip on the turbo and watch it pick up.
Back in the day we ran 10.72 at 132 mph with a standard 20G compressor wheel and a clipped TD05H turbine wheel. The clipping is important, maybe as time goes more people will realize I don't just type on EVO M because I am bored and want to read something I wrote.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
As a side note, I don't know what to think about all this. I still say FP makes some kick butt parts and I still feel this turbo should work and am in no way hoping FP fails with it.
Had to get this in there, stay cool and all with most everyone that way
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Had to get this in there, stay cool and all with most everyone that way
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com