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Old Jul 14, 2005 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mike 99gsx
Why is this? I realize there is a power benefit to the EMS simply based on the fact that you can go speed density and remove the MAF. However, if we are just talking about peak dyno numbers, can there really be a 70+hp discrepancy between the EMS and the ability to maniupluate timing and fuel maps via reflashing?

Perhaps I am wrong. I have been curious for a while now to see what will happen when people try to reflash ECUs with larger turbos. The problem has been, in general, that most people move to an EMS once they've upgraded turbos so there isn't a ton of data out there.
Because the AEM is more powerful than the stock ECU. It has more detailed maps and will run exactly what you want it to run. I am not saying an EMS will give you 70+whp. Usually it only gets you about 15whp or so switching from the stock ECU. All I am saying is everytime a tuner comes out w/ a product, it is presented in the best light possible. Like I said, I have just had a hunch. I got flamed for doubting the turbo in the original thread....looks like I may have actually been on the right track. Remember, this is just one dyno, but it seems to be panning out that you have to really up the boost on this sucker to get some numbers, which can also be done w/ the stock unit. We all need to just sit back and let more reflash dyno's come rolling in. No doubt someone is going to make some good numbers on the turbo, we just need to see how many.

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Old Jul 14, 2005 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboTodd
everyone relax here. the rabbit has made a substantial power increase. to get the most out of it you need to run higher boost levels. this is expected from a small frame turbo like this. easy 11 second car on 91 at 3425 lbs. w/driver is very impressive when in my case it looks like i have only a k/n filter under the hood and its my wifes daily driver.
Higher boost meaning over 25 psi? I don't know much ppl that would wanna run that on pump everyday.
Old Jul 14, 2005 | 06:42 PM
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Alright that's it... Im gonna take this turbo and bolt it on to my setup.. Who knows maybe they made a mistake and just sent a stock turbo
Old Jul 14, 2005 | 06:46 PM
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I run 104 oct only here in socal. would this be enough to please the rabbit?

anyone?
Old Jul 14, 2005 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by johnjonfenomeno
Alright that's it... Im gonna take this turbo and bolt it on to my setup.. Who knows maybe they made a mistake and just sent a stock turbo
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Old Jul 14, 2005 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 1.8t
Because the AEM is more powerful than the stock ECU. You have the ability to adjust wayyyyyyy more parameters than the stock ecu could even think of. Its all in your hands, you make the car do EXACTLY what you want it to.

I'm very familiar with how my EMS works.

You obviously can make more power, torque, have better driveability(depending on who's tuning it) with an EMS. However, obtaining a peak number isn't rocket science. My point is that the tool that the flash hardware provides should be enough power to manipulate a fuel and timing map to get the numbers fairly close (at least on a fancy dyno sheet).
Old Jul 14, 2005 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mike 99gsx
I'm very familiar with how my EMS works.

You obviously can make more power, torque, have better driveability(depending on who's tuning it) with an EMS. However, obtaining a peak number isn't rocket science. My point is that the tool that the flash hardware provides should be enough power to manipulate a fuel and timing map to get the numbers fairly close (at least on a fancy dyno sheet).
ditto.. my thoughts exactly
Old Jul 14, 2005 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Widebandphillip
lol holy crap my post was deleted once again. Warralton, spot on and aggressive are two very different words. When i tune cars, spot on to me means conservative and needing NO changes. Aggressive means spot on to you, but it means it needs to be pulled back for saftey for me. Now back to my two deleted posts, why did al say the tune was spot on then later say it was too aggressive and quit deleting my posts. This is a very simple question and the people want to know.
Phillip, You're making this way too hard. I can't speak for Al, but I read his follow up reference to mean there wasn't really any upside left to the tune.

Isn't there a Vishnu thread you need to post on.

Edit: I would also suggest that if Al thought there were any dangers with the tune, he would have made adjustments.

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Old Jul 14, 2005 | 07:04 PM
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I am sold on it! I have it and love it! Great for RR...

Check the clips in this link...

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&highlight=msr

The blue Porsche behind me is a RUF factory race car driven by a professional driver. Here are the specs of the car:

Power Output (DIN): 290 kW (395 bhp)
at Engine Speed: 7500 rpm
Output (DIN): 80,6 kW/L (110 bhp/L)
Displacement: 3600 cm³
Maximum Torque: 407 Nm
at Engine Speed: 5000 rpm
Compression Ratio: 11,7 : 1
Engine:

Rear-mounted
6 cylinder horizontally opposed
Transmission:

6-speed manual
Optional: 4WD
Suspension:

RUF sport suspension;
fully adjustable for ride-height and stiffness
Optional: RUF hydraulically adjustable suspension system
Brakes:

Front and rear inner ventilated cross-drilled disc with ABS
Front dia. 350 mm, rear dia. 330 mm
Optional: PCCB Ceramic brake system
Exhaust:

RUF performance system including RUF-embossed
tail-pipes
Wheels:

RUF 3-piece alloy wheels, front 8.5'' x 18'', rear 12'' x 18''
Optional: 19'' five-spoke alloy wheels, front 8.5'' x 19'', rear 11'' x 19''
Tires:

Front 225 / 40 ZR 18, rear 285 / 30 ZR 18
Optional: 19'' front 235 / 35 ZR 19, rear 315 / 25 ZR 19
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RUF front spoiler
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RUF Integrated Roll Cage, fully lined and remarkably unobtrusive
Interior:

Optional: sports seats trimmed in RUF leather
Optional: custom RUF leather interior
RUF sports steering wheel, leather, three-spoke
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Performance:

Acceleration 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 3.8 seconds
Top speed of 310 km/h (195 mph)
Old Jul 14, 2005 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Widebandphillip
lol holy crap my post was deleted once again. Warralton, spot on and aggressive are two very different words. When i tune cars, spot on to me means conservative and needing NO changes. Aggressive means spot on to you, but it means it needs to be pulled back for saftey for me. Now back to my two deleted posts, why did al say the tune was spot on then later say it was too aggressive and quit deleting my posts. This is a very simple question and the people want to know.
one more for good measure.
Old Jul 14, 2005 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by robertrinaustin
Philip, You're making this way too hard. I can't speak for Al, but I read his follow up reference to mean there wasn't really any upside left to the tune.
I'm just wondering tis all. Why say the tune was spot on if it was too aggressive? I know al didn't tune the car (or did he), but get the story straight atleast.
Old Jul 14, 2005 | 07:07 PM
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Wow, will the turbo bashing never stop? With a boost leak, same boost as before the turbo upgrade in 100 degree weather as opposed to mid 80's on the stock turbo and I made 26.5 HP Peak Gain and about 50 HP up on top. All from a simple bolt on turbocharger..... No, it's not a GT35R...... it's not supposed to be... it's supposed to be a turbo that basically spools like stock and doesn't run out of breath up top. Perfect for road racing, autocrossing, track days...etc...... If you're looking for the ultimate drag race turbo go somwhere else....... it's not going to happen on this one. Granted, you'll have a VERY quick car that is perfectly driveable around town and still able to rape a Z06 in a straight line or on the twisties.

That's the beauty of turbo's... they come in all different flavors. If you don't like the way that it tastes, try another..............

Peace,

Tony
Old Jul 14, 2005 | 07:08 PM
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Give those (unbiased) tunners a few more days. I say we will know the truth in a week.
Patient. Grasshoppers! :P
Old Jul 14, 2005 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RoundPro
I am sold on it! I have it and love it! Great for RR...

Check the clips in this link...

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&highlight=msr

The blue Porsche behind me is a RUF factory race car driven by a professional driver. Here are the specs of the car:

Power Output (DIN): 290 kW (395 bhp)
at Engine Speed: 7500 rpm
Output (DIN): 80,6 kW/L (110 bhp/L)
Displacement: 3600 cm³
Maximum Torque: 407 Nm
at Engine Speed: 5000 rpm
Compression Ratio: 11,7 : 1
Engine:

Rear-mounted
6 cylinder horizontally opposed
Transmission:

6-speed manual
Optional: 4WD
Suspension:

RUF sport suspension;
fully adjustable for ride-height and stiffness
Optional: RUF hydraulically adjustable suspension system
Brakes:

Front and rear inner ventilated cross-drilled disc with ABS
Front dia. 350 mm, rear dia. 330 mm
Optional: PCCB Ceramic brake system
Exhaust:

RUF performance system including RUF-embossed
tail-pipes
Wheels:

RUF 3-piece alloy wheels, front 8.5'' x 18'', rear 12'' x 18''
Optional: 19'' five-spoke alloy wheels, front 8.5'' x 19'', rear 11'' x 19''
Tires:

Front 225 / 40 ZR 18, rear 285 / 30 ZR 18
Optional: 19'' front 235 / 35 ZR 19, rear 315 / 25 ZR 19
Body:

RUF front spoiler
RUF side skirts
RUF aero side mirrors, electrically adjustable and heated
RUF rear spoiler "Ducktail" with secondary adjustable carbon fibre wing
RUF Integrated Roll Cage, fully lined and remarkably unobtrusive
Interior:

Optional: sports seats trimmed in RUF leather
Optional: custom RUF leather interior
RUF sports steering wheel, leather, three-spoke
RUF instrumentation
Performance:

Acceleration 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 3.8 seconds
Top speed of 310 km/h (195 mph)

enough about the Porcsche wheres your mod list?
Old Jul 14, 2005 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Widebandphillip
I'm just wondering tis all. Why say the tune was spot on if it was too aggressive? I know al didn't tune the car (or did he), but get the story straight atleast.
I would guess you can find the answer in the fact that he didn't make any changes. Had the tune been a danger, I am sure he would have made adjustments.



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