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Jul 14, 2005 | 07:49 PM
  #91  
Quote: Damn, phillip, come on. You are pressing WAY TOO HARD! .I do not use flashes, because I prefer to do my own tuning and not have my ECU deflowered, but at the same time, I know he knows what he's doing, so I have no reason to like or dislike Al. Therefore, I think it's safe to say I'm being objective in this matter.

Al did not say the engine isn't working right. He said that is one of the possibilities, but that there was on way to tell at that point. If there was no knock and the timing/AF/HP/TQ curves were very well tuned, then what reason would he have to "detune" it with a new flash? I don't understand how this is Al's responsibility or even why he should do it to begin with when he has no conclusive evidence that it is necessary. This started with you attacking Al's semantics, when the rest of us understood what he meant, and now you're downgraded your attack to asking why a businessmen won't provide a free detune without any empirical evidence to suggest doing it...
Very well expressed.
Jul 14, 2005 | 07:51 PM
  #92  
Quote: Man phillip has been getting rocked as of late, I told you no one likes you
I like Phillip, because he does his own tuning and helps me with mine, but that's also why I've been so disappointed with his comments in this thread. If I didn't like him, I wouldn't be upset with him. I'd just call him a jackass and move on...
Jul 14, 2005 | 07:51 PM
  #93  
Quote: Come on Phillip. Add something informative and stop hating the world. Do you honestly think Al would leave the car as tuned if he thought it was a danger? A little decency here is all I'm asking. No need to paint everyone the sheister.

I didn't even bother to quote you because I hope it will soon be gone.
What Phillip is ommiting here is the crucial data that the car would have needed a boost leak test and a compresion test and a new set of spark plugs before I would touch it and the mechanics were all DONE working for the day.

The car was obviously not a danger as evidenced by the very nice and smooth tq curve and a/f curve. 11.4 / 1 is hardly dangerous tuning.

It is what it is - I posted the data to share info - it was tuned elsehwere and wrenched elsewhere - the sheet speaks for itself. All i can offer is to verfiy that the sheet is accurate and the data is accurate. Regretably I can not verify the condition of the vehicle.

I had another previously set up appointment to tune a WRX after this car and I could not personally do the boost leak and compression test at that time.
Jul 14, 2005 | 07:52 PM
  #94  
Quote: Man phillip has been getting rocked as of late, I told you no one likes you
I like Phillip. We have shared some good discussions in the past. I find him to be intelligent, thoughtful and open to different ideas and viewpoints.

But, sometimes Phillip gets sidetracked and misses the forest because of the trees.
Jul 14, 2005 | 07:55 PM
  #95  
Obviously this thread has gone far off track. It all started when i was wondering my my posts (and numerous others) were deleted when Al said one thing and then changed it after. If anyone has any questions please pm me.
Jul 14, 2005 | 07:56 PM
  #96  
Quote: I like Phillip. We have shared some good discussions over the past few months. I find him to be intelligent, thoughtful and open to different ideas and viewpoints.

But, sometime Phillips gets sidetracked and misses the forest because of the trees.

Hahahaha.



Hey Al can you comment on the Power gains from this setup using an EMS , while reflashers are not making nearly the power?
Jul 14, 2005 | 07:56 PM
  #97  
Quote: Damn, phillip, come on. You are pressing WAY TOO HARD! I do not use flashes, because I prefer to do my own tuning and not have my ECU deflowered, but at the same time I know he knows what he's doing, so I think it's safe to say I'm being objective in this matter.

Al did not say the engine isn't working right. He said that is one of the possibilities, but that there was no way to tell at that point. If there was no knock and the timing/AF/HP/TQ curves were very well tuned, then what reason would he have to "detune" it with a new flash? I don't understand how this is Al's responsibility or even why he should do it to begin with when he has no conclusive evidence that it is necessary. This started with you attacking Al's semantics, when the rest of us understood what he meant, and now you've downgraded your attack to asking why a businessmen won't provide a free detune without any empirical evidence to suggest doing it...
Thank you for your time to reason a good explanation.

Basically this customer was "concerned" that his tuner may have left him with a bad tune and he wasked me to take a look see.

I was happy to report that the tuner had done a fine job on his car - although a bit more agressive than I may prefer.

However - there was some "REASON" why his car was weak and stock like turbo in power :

A - Mechaical issue

B - Turbo sucks

Sadly - we did not have time to check A today.

Solution - get A checked out

Thanks for taking your time on this
Jul 14, 2005 | 07:59 PM
  #98  
Quote: Thank you for your time to reason a good explanation.

Basically this customer was "concerned" that his tuner may have left him with a bad tune and he wasked me to take a look see.

I was happy to report that the tuner had done a fine job on his car - although a bit more agressive than I may prefer.

However - there was some "REASON" why his car was weak and stock like turbo in power :

A - Mechaical issue

B - Turbo sucks

Sadly - we did not have time to check A today.

Solution - get A checked out

Thanks for taking your time on this
I know your terribly busy but do you think you can answer some of the questions I posted earlier or respond to the Pm I sent you over a week ago?
Jul 14, 2005 | 08:00 PM
  #99  
Quote: Boy, i'm checking this thread every minute, and every minute the post locations are dropping meaning someone is deleting a lot of posts. This is a public forum, are we not entitled to our opinions.
I remind you that a forum is a public meeting place for open discussion. 'Open' does not connote disrespectful comments about persons nor the license to say what one pleases. 'Discussion' happens here, i.e. consideration of questions in an informal debate. In the context of a forum, rules are established for the common good so selfishness, incivility, and unaccountable opinion don't choke meaningful exchange. Thanks.

Speedlimit.....
Jul 14, 2005 | 08:02 PM
  #100  
Quote: Obviously because you don't know how to wrench on cars. You were Sooo Happy to get your hands on a car with a WR turbo. you get one in your hands and don't help him. I know you need the Pruven mechanics to wrench on it for you .

P.S. Widebandphillip was dead on with his posts, Al did say the tune was perfect then says it was agressive. Also with almost 8,000 posts how the Hell do you find the time to wrench on cars.
Not exactly the case.

Did you know that I do 100% of the wrenching work on my own Dyno Flash Evo 8 including putting the current engine together with my on two hands. I do boost leak tests and compression tests on my car on a weekly basis - I think i could have handled it if I had the time.

There is not one part of the evo I have not worked on in the past two years and change.

The reality is that at Pruven I do my reflash tuning and Pruven does fabrication, mechanical work and installs.

At 6:00 p.m. the work day is ending so people who work there can go home - it is not time to take on diagnostic investigations.

The customer could have eacily set up an appointment for testing at a future date.
Jul 14, 2005 | 08:03 PM
  #101  
Quote: I remind you that a forum is a public meeting place for open discussion. 'Open' does not connote disrespectful comments about persons nor the license to say what one pleases. 'Discussion' happens here, i.e. consideration of questions in an informal debate. In the context of a forum, rules are established for the common good so selfishness, incivility, and unaccountable opinion don't choke meaningful exchange. Thanks.

Speedlimit.....
I know you have the power to put me through hell but, where was he disrespectful? He just wanted Al to clarify himself, which Al did.
Jul 14, 2005 | 08:04 PM
  #102  
Quote: I remind you that a forum is a public meeting place for open discussion. 'Open' does not connote disrespectful comments about persons nor the license to say what one pleases. 'Discussion' happens here, i.e. consideration of questions in an informal debate. In the context of a forum, rules are established for the common good so selfishness, incivility, and unaccountable opinion don't choke meaningful exchange. Thanks.

Speedlimit.....
Ic, while some of the posts deleted may have been disrespectful, i don't see why mine are and thus were deleted. I was just asking a question.
Jul 14, 2005 | 08:05 PM
  #103  
Quote: Not exactly the case.

Did you know that I do 100% of the wrenching work on my own Dyno Flash Evo 8 including putting the current engine together with my on two hands. I do boost leak tests and compression tests on my car on a weekly basis - I think i could have handled it if I had the time.

There is not one part of the evo I have not worked on in the past two years and change.

The reality is that at Pruven I do my reflash tuning and Pruven does fabrication, mechanical work and installs.

At 6:00 p.m. the work day is ending so people who work there can go home - it is not time to take on diagnostic investigations.

The customer could have eacily set up an appointment for testing at a future date.


Talk about excuses, come on you were on the WR post crying to tune one of these. You get youre hands on a car that TT flashed and you automatically want to talk bad about their flash, then you change your opinion when someone calls you out.
Jul 14, 2005 | 08:05 PM
  #104  
Quote: Hey Al can you comment on the Power gains from this setup using an EMS , while reflashers are not making nearly the power?
Look for Zeus to post a reflash dyno this week. I know he was very happy with the gains after Mark from TT flashed his car. I think you'll see Al post some good results too from flashes.

LPBevoEVo will dyno his flashed car on the 30th and we'll have more results. He was also very happy with the improvement from the WR.
Jul 14, 2005 | 08:05 PM
  #105  
Quote: Hahahaha.



Hey Al can you comment on the Power gains from this setup using an EMS , while reflashers are not making nearly the power?
I dont have any idea about this turbo what so ever based upon the limited data I have.

I don't think anyone can draw any conclusions about this turbo from what we saw today as the car in question may have had mechanical issues.