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Boy, i'm checking this thread every minute, and every minute the post locations are dropping meaning someone is deleting a lot of posts. This is a public forum, are we not entitled to our opinions.
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From: 2003 Evo VIII - Silver
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Phillip, he didn't say "too" aggressive, he just said it was "very" aggressive. Aggressive can also be "spot on." I think what Al was saying is that it wasn't like the tune was set conservatively like a basic, everyday high 10 AFR flash, but rather tuned to actually make as much power as possible without being too lean.
On another note, I don't see how 315whp is "crap" or "bad" for those mods. I'd like to see how many other 03/04s there are out there with 315whp on only a TBE/MBC. On an 05, those whp would be about right for those mods on an aggressive tune, though. How much better is the WR supposed to be than the 05 turbo at pump gas boost levels?
On another note, I don't see how 315whp is "crap" or "bad" for those mods. I'd like to see how many other 03/04s there are out there with 315whp on only a TBE/MBC. On an 05, those whp would be about right for those mods on an aggressive tune, though. How much better is the WR supposed to be than the 05 turbo at pump gas boost levels?
Either the car was weak or broken - e.g. boost leak (which is my opinion) - OR - the turbo is not much stronger than stock at 23 psi. While the turbo may make more power with more boost, I have not been able to determine that yet.
It is regratable that it was too late in the day to do a boost leak and compression test as they would have resolved some unanswered questions.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Basically the car was running 23 psi and it was tuned fairly well
The a/f and ignition timing was spot on
I saw NO NEED to retune as I can not in good faith take money from someone to tune a car that is already tuned in the ball park
The a/f and ignition timing was spot on
I saw NO NEED to retune as I can not in good faith take money from someone to tune a car that is already tuned in the ball park
nice vid clips.
yah, people are quick to bash. They don't say anything about the dyno that gained 50whp peak, but the one on the fubared car they blame on the turbo.
weaksauce if you ask me. i can't wait for some results on a well-operating car!
yah, people are quick to bash. They don't say anything about the dyno that gained 50whp peak, but the one on the fubared car they blame on the turbo.
weaksauce if you ask me. i can't wait for some results on a well-operating car!
Al can you answer the question of why the flash may not be able to tackle this turbo like someof the larger turbos? seems no one is getting positive results with this and a flash while others running EMS are claiming this is the gods gift to the evo community
3 Wr cars will be on the same dyno in Austin on the 30th. My car will be the only one running a fash, and there will be several stock turbo'd cars to compare it to. I'm sure we will make a seperate thread with all of the results...
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Well not every car will show the same numbers such as Switzers. Tuners and shops have the resources and time to get that extra inch of performance out of a car. It isnt necessarily a real world figure for the average car.
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Originally Posted by robertrinaustin
Phillip, You're making this way too hard. I can't speak for Al, but I read his follow up reference to mean there wasn't really any upside left to the tune.
Isn't there a Vishnu thread you need to post on.
Edit: I would also suggest that if Al thought there were any dangers with the tune, he would have made adjustments.
Isn't there a Vishnu thread you need to post on.
Edit: I would also suggest that if Al thought there were any dangers with the tune, he would have made adjustments.
Originally Posted by Widebandphillip
lol holy crap my post was deleted once again. Warralton, spot on and aggressive are two very different words. When i tune cars, spot on to me means conservative and needing NO changes. Aggressive means spot on to you, but it means it needs to be pulled back for saftey for me. Now back to my two deleted posts, why did al say the tune was spot on then later say it was too aggressive and quit deleting my posts. This is a very simple question and the people want to know.
lol holy crap my post was deleted once again. Warralton, spot on and aggressive are two very different words. When i tune cars, spot on to me means conservative and needing NO changes. Aggressive means spot on to you, but it means it needs to be pulled back for saftey for me. Now back to my two deleted posts, why did al say the tune was spot on then later say it was too aggressive and quit deleting my posts. This is a very simple question and the people want to know.
Spot on to me means a nice flat dyno sheet as shown in the chart I posted with total absense of any timing being pulled from knock activity.
Agressive means no margin of error left - at the edge of what is acceptable.
I personally would not have left the tune in that state - but - the tune was done properly and "spot on"
Its a matter of tuner judgement as to how much meat to leave on the table - no right or wrong bright line rules.
Originally Posted by KILTERMAN
Al can you answer the question of why the flash may not be able to tackle this turbo like someof the larger turbos? seems no one is getting positive results with this and a flash while others running EMS are claiming this is the gods gift to the evo community
is it strictly removing The MAF and switching to speed density?
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
The tune was very agressive - high timing and a 11.4 a/f at 23 psi and the car is just about where a stock turbo car would be with similar mods
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I just wanted to say that I have no bias or incentive either way onm the WR turbo
I would be all too happy if this turbo was an amazing product - heaven knows if there was a great turbo available as a bolt on a lot more guys would need reflashes
The results of this test today are NOT CONCLUSIVE about anything
In order to have a accurate scientific test you need controls and have to have a level playing field. Here the car itself was not wrenched well and we did not have time to go over it. Given that you muct take the results posted with a grain of salt.
The data shown is simply data to review. Next week I have two others cars which I am personally tunning and which i will be able to test if they have a problem. At that point I will be able to formulate a recomendation.
I would be all too happy if this turbo was an amazing product - heaven knows if there was a great turbo available as a bolt on a lot more guys would need reflashes
The results of this test today are NOT CONCLUSIVE about anything
In order to have a accurate scientific test you need controls and have to have a level playing field. Here the car itself was not wrenched well and we did not have time to go over it. Given that you muct take the results posted with a grain of salt.
The data shown is simply data to review. Next week I have two others cars which I am personally tunning and which i will be able to test if they have a problem. At that point I will be able to formulate a recomendation.
