Give me 400whp wth 2750 spool, or in that ballpark. I really like the idea of a stock appearing turbo. I think the whole easy bolt on aspect of the WR is why so many people are wishing that it will work...

 

This is not a cheap ploy, but I will bet I could make really good numbers with this turbo on my car. Why? Because I have more then the supporting mods to do it. Ported head, intake and exhaust I am sure would move some air with this turbo.
I'd have to question why I would purchase one though since my engine is prime for a larger turbo at this point. I haven't been on a dyno yet but with a mail in flash and all the mods the car definitely is making some power now.
IMO they should have proven this thing with some dyno sheets (more then one or two) before announcing it as being the next great thing. Only time will tell what will happen but I think Buschur proved that is is not easy to make the power with this turbo mod.

 

As was i,,, everyone wants a direct bolt on that makes great power. We'll see what happends , i hope it all works out, maybe it is a turbo for race gas and 24+ pounds of boost. We've found out both end of the spectrum, race gas , ems , alot of boost , and pump gas low boost and stock computer. i guess people will have to figure out what works for them and what fits into their budget

mark
turbotrix

 

There is no truth to this what so ever. I will always recomend the best product period. While I like many Buschur parts and use them on my race car (Buschur Racing parts are very well made, well designed and fairly priced) . . . . I also have a long record on these forums of recomending and using many non Buschur parts such as the Hallman MBC and HKS RS Intake for example.

I like Forced Performance turbos and the company is first rate. They have a very good relationshiop with Pruven Performance where I do all my dyno work and they were a sponsor of Pruven's last talon race car.

I have not tuned a WR turbo yet - when I do you can be assured that I will accurately and truthfully report the results.

 

Good point ... !!!!

 

I guess the point is superz made almost 500whp on alky and GT35R on a flash alone. For the money you spend on the turbo and an AEM you can just buy a GT series and get a flash for essentially the same money. I know the dream is to have the spool like stock but I can make more than 400 with alky right now on a stock turbo and a flash.

 

Your abosolutely correct, does it look stock?NO...this is one of the bennifits inmo of this WR...hey don't get me wrong heck I bought a FP3065 so I know what you are saying...but if I wanted a total sleeper ie:lift the hood and nothing except k&N, that is th enice thing with this package.

 

nevermind

 

Heven knows that you can make a boat load of power with a properly set up stock ecu and flash

Here is member Superz's old Evo 8 with AMS GT 35R kit - - (He now has the same turbo kit on a MR 2005 which also runs the flash). On this run his stock clutch slipped. Note - all stock engine except cams.

 

Looking stock is cool when you open the hood but if it looks stock going down the track, what's the sense? j/k

 

Dude I don't know what you are talking about??????? Just some friendly late night discussions.

 

Tru dat....I guess time is our only friend right now and passes at the tack and dyno numbers will be out soon enough.hehe that was good though

 

Wow. You the man. Can I get a ride in your car some day(the dyno flash car?) I just want one.

 

Time slip to would be nice...and Fast Frank post your dyno graphs please!!!!!

 

No one is doubting the value of having a nice easy bolt on turbo.

The way I am looking at this, the big question is wether its a nice 20 - 30 whp gain over a 2005 stock turbo which holds better boost and has a slightly more efficent compressor side which lowers charge temps . . .

OR

is it some freak of physics 140 whp transformation which nets you 441 whp on race gas with no cams and stock intake

I think the issue for myself is that this turbo has been maketed with what appears to me to be a totaly unrealistic and unobtabinable fantasy dyno mark which is virtually impossible to duplicate. People looking at the 441 figure will be very disapointed when they take their cars to the dyno.

It reminds me of the time I was on the dyno in Top Speed in Atlanta and a customer who really wanted mega power was doing a flash on a car with a stock turbo and alcohol injection.

After we reached about 375 tq and 350 whp at 24 psi I was ready to call it quits but the customer wanted more boost. After warning the customer that taking it any further was risky - I tuned the boost to 26.

After reaching almost 390 tq the customer still wanted more power and more boost

I warned him about 10 times about what would happen when he tosses a rod but he was ready to blow it up or break the dyno if needed to see what the limit was

Then the MBC line was zip tied and maximum bost was applied at which point 420 tq was achived which really made THIS customer happy.

My point is that I would never tune any other customer or even my own car to that level and it would be idiotic for me to promise that other dyno flash customers or alcohol kit customers should expect 420 tq.

Yes you can make a boat load of power on even the stock turbo - but its not wise to run your own car with timing, a/f and boost levels needed to replicate these kind of numbers

441 whp on a car with stock cams is more than you could make with a GT3037 which is a much larger turbo

441 whp is not something which you can expect on this WR turbo with a reasonable, conserative boost level

BTW - VP Import fuel which was used is $20 a gallon - is filled with oxygen and makes 5% more power than C-16 due to the extra oxegyn. If you are not planning on running $20 a gallon leaded race fuel you can take 25 whp righht off the top.