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Old Jul 15, 2005 | 11:52 AM
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I for one am waiting for the Evo IX RS turbo..I would expect the JDM evo 9 RS turbo to be a very capable unit which exceeds the current turbos effeciency.. plus nothing beats mitubishis turbo engineering for best bang for the buck.
Old Jul 15, 2005 | 12:03 PM
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I might get banned for this.... Forum Police.

You consider it over moderating to ask people to stay on topic so that members who actually are interested in the turbo will not have to wade through 19 pages of crap? Sometimes I don't know why we bother.

Please PM me with any addtional comments or use the feedback forum. Thanks.

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Old Jul 15, 2005 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bdking57
I for one am waiting for the Evo IX RS turbo..I would expect the JDM evo 9 RS turbo to be a very capable unit which exceeds the current turbos effeciency.. plus nothing beats mitubishis turbo engineering for best bang for the buck.
I concur 100% - the 05 turbo has been a huge success in comparision to the 03.

Now the the back pressure issues on the 03 have been sorted I think that has directed its focus at the compressor housing in an effort to lower the charge temps which are the biggest drag on the stock turbo cars.

I am excited to see the Evo 9 turbo.

I am also hoping that the ecu platform is something we can support on the flashing front - this is up in the air
Old Jul 15, 2005 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedlimit
You consider it over moderating to ask people to stay on topic so that members who actually are interested in the turbo will not have to wade through 19 pages of crap? Sometimes I don't know why we bother.

Please PM me with any addtional comments or use the feedback forum. Thanks.

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dude, dont even listen to these guys, every post in this forum turns into 1000 posts because people love to just be part of a 1000 post thread so they have full blown conversations.

BACK TO TOPIC

I think the evo 9 turbo will be a slight advantage over the 2005 but I bet the evo X turbo will be a huge upgrade. I'm just hoping mitsu uses a revamped 4g64 in the X.
Old Jul 15, 2005 | 01:36 PM
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jon isn't running as rich as he was, i helped him on his utec map.
When was this? We had our run earlier this week... His car still has ALOT of power that needs to be unlocked.

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Old Jul 15, 2005 | 01:55 PM
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I actually charged this guy 100 dollars for his custom tune , which i spent 2 days of my time on. Had him come back with different 93' octane gas ect. I've learned my lesson , and it wont happen again. I thought i was doing something good and it came back to hit me in the face. I tuned the car good, and it made what it made... I just know im not doing any more " favors " anymore having to do with this bull****..

Al, thank you for being professional in the thread .. and pointing out what we all are beginning to see ... about this turbo

i personally dont think anything is wrong with the guys car, if he made 295whp before the turbo .. on the stocker

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Old Jul 15, 2005 | 02:11 PM
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I'd say it is to your credit that you tried damn hard to help this guy out with a tune that would make power. In the end it just wouldn't do it because there is most likely something else wrong. It's not your fault the guy wanted a second opinion which was the same as the first.

It's nice to see vendors getting along in a thread. Now if only the members could do the same,
Old Jul 15, 2005 | 03:21 PM
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ShapeGSX,

I don't think putting the turbo on with the parts you stated and 27 psi and race gas and going 120 mph in the 1/4 is going to be a great accomplishment.

Take into consideration that many-many stock turbo'd EVO's have now run 114-117 mph on pump gas and that the fastest race gas stock turbo'd EVO ran 124 mph.

BTW, please don't take offense to me directing this at you. Just making a comment about the 120+ mph, it is not that impressive with an upgraded turbo and race gas. Not when it is possible on the stock turbo too.

I am looking forward to seeing some good results from normal customers with this turbo myself.

Our dyno will be here next week. I will offer FREE dyno time to someone with a good combination of parts and this turbo. I can do an EMS tune for it or Al will be coming here quite a bit and he can do a custom tune. I'd prefer to dyno the car with one of our tunes in it first and then install the turbo and dyno it again with one of our tunes. This is the only way to get a real number.

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Old Jul 15, 2005 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
ShapeGSX,

I don't think putting the turbo on with the parts you stated and 27 psi and race gas and going 120 mph in the 1/4 is going to be a great accomplishment.

Take into consideration that many-many stock turbo'd EVO's have now run 114-117 mph on pump gas and that the fastest race gas stock turbo'd EVO ran 124 mph.

BTW, please don't take offense to me directing this at you. Just making a comment about the 120+ mph, it is not that impressive with an upgraded turbo and race gas. Not when it is possible on the stock turbo too.

I am looking forward to seeing some good results from normal customers with this turbo myself.

Our dyno will be here next week. I will offer FREE dyno time to someone with a good combination of parts and this turbo. I can do an EMS tune for it or Al will be coming here quite a bit and he can do a custom tune. I'd prefer to dyno the car with one of our tunes in it first and then install the turbo and dyno it again with one of our tunes. This is the only way to get a real number.
At least running 120mph in the 1/4 wouldn't be something that could be argued about incessantly. Oh wait, this is EvoM.

I picked 120mph because I feel that this mph would be relatively easy to reach with this turbo and some race gas. And it is beyond what is easy to do with the stock 16G. How many people have hit 120mph on the stock turbo besides Curt, who seems to make anything fast (keep it simple!).

Hell, I'm at 118.78 mph with my Evo III 16G on my full weight 2G Eclipse, but I don't just tell someone to go out and run that time because I've worked my *** off to get there and I know it is hard to do.

120mph with the WR with race gas at high boost should be easy to reach.

I'm an old school DSM guy. Never had my car on a dyno. I use the track to tune.

With that being said, hey, how much is it going to be for dyno pulls at the shootout this year?
Old Jul 15, 2005 | 03:51 PM
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With that being said, hey, how much is it going to be for dyno pulls at the shootout this year?
2 pulls on the new Mustang dyno for $25

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Old Jul 15, 2005 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
I actually charged this guy 100 dollars for his custom tune , which i spent 2 days of my time on. Had him come back with different 93' octane gas ect. I've learned my lesson , and it wont happen again. I thought i was doing something good and it came back to hit me in the face. I tuned the car good, and it made what it made... I just know im not doing any more " favors " anymore having to do with this bull****..

Al, thank you for being professional in the thread .. and pointing out what we all are beginning to see ... about this turbo

i personally dont think anything is wrong with the guys car, if he made 295whp before the turbo .. on the stocker

Mark
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I did not want to mention your shop needlessly to distract the message of my post. However, now that you have - it should be said that the customer was most satisfied and flatering when describing his experience with your shop and had ONLY come to me to gather a second opinion on the TURBO and rule out any other issues before he took off the turbo. He mentioned the great lengths you had taken to find the missing whp on his car and he was really pleased with your efforts.

I dont think your favor was lost on this guy as his pals - especuially the one from the BMW place who seemed to know agreat deal about cars spoke very highly of you and your shop. I see his request to check out the car mostly as a act of despiration from a very frustrated customer who, having spent a lot of money on a turbo is looking for answers. I believe the customer said that the vendor who sold him the turbo suggested that his "tune must be bad" to explain his weak results which lead the customer to seek another dyno opinion mostly to confront the turbo vendor with.

I am mentioning the possibility of mechanical issues mostly out of fairness to the WR. Even if there was a boost leak its imapct would have been slight on the overall outcome.

The tune on this gentleman's car was very good. When I did an OBDII scan it was clear that the timing was holding very well. The A/F was flat and well controlled. The car was on the high octane map at all times. Simply put, you know your craft and there is no need to blow smoke up anyone's *** by trying to retune a car which already has been carefully tuned to its maximum possible potential by someone else.

I would predict that a stock turbo car with the same tune would make even more power at the same boost level IF the car was functioning well mechanically. A tune of that quaility with 23 psi would be bood for at least 300 whp with the stock turbo - IMHO.

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Old Jul 15, 2005 | 04:31 PM
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Gentleman - next week we will have a lot more data about the WR turbo as the member who has been my customer for some time who made this dyno sheet is comming in for a retune after just adding his WR turbo. HERE IS HIS STOCK TURBO DYNO SHEET>



Here are his mod list and further data. - https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ght=Case+study

It will be interesting to tune the WR over this dyno sheet and see how it helps on a car with more mods.
Old Jul 15, 2005 | 04:52 PM
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Al,

why does this car generate so much torque, than hp
Old Jul 15, 2005 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Gentleman - next week we will have a lot more data about the WR turbo as the member who has been my customer for some time who made this dyno sheet is comming in for a retune after just adding his WR turbo. HERE IS HIS STOCK TURBO DYNO SHEET>



Here are his mod list and further data. - https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ght=Case+study

It will be interesting to tune the WR over this dyno sheet and see how it helps on a car with more mods.
100 octane - correct?
Old Jul 15, 2005 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by KILTERMAN
could you explain ? maybe in a pm to stay on topic
mph is a better indication of whp



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