I haven't noticed any such thing with my 6spd up to 110mph. In fact, it's been the opposite. I accelerate much faster through the 1/4 than would be expected, with most of it being in the first 1/8th.

If by "real world acceleration," that comparo was referring to speeds in excess of 110, then that might make sense, but with an extra 60hp, I'm not so sure...

 

Didn't really get my point across the way I expected there, In that episode they lined up the FQ400 in 6th gear at 30mph against a Fiat 1.5 liter and it never caught it... not until well after the 1/4 mile. Just mentioned that due to the poor boost response that everyone seems to complain about with that particular car.

Just mentioned it as an example of how having a car that makes that magical peak number but has poor boost response/lower power across can look pretty ordinary if not in the absolute right spot.

 

Yea but who the hell drives around in 6th gear at 30mph??? I saw that video and thought it was ridiculous. The guy also complained of lag another part of it. No one is gonna be doing 30mph in 6th gear, theres no need. and if you are jyust downshift to 2nd or 3rd. Theres a big difference between doing 30mph in 6th gear and having to go to 2nd or 3rd for power then driving an evo with a gt40r that you have to downshift until your at 6k to get power.

If you want a 2.0l Car that has 400hp reliably and comes from the factory that way (IE. FQ400) then its gonna need a nice sized turbo to do it. They arent going to run aggressive cams so people complain about idle.

 

On a side note, I also thought that paticular part of the video was a real knee-slapper. Your right, who the hell drives 30mph in 6th gear? ****, youd be at lower RPM in 3rd gear at 30mph!!! That part of the show made me think much less of Top-Gear. My stock turbo'd car at 30mph in 5TH GEAR doesnt even respond that well.. I cant imagine a larger turbo in 6th. Just reatrded...

 

As I said before that example was over exagerrated but an example of how you can be brought back to the reality of life with a small disaplacement engine pretty quickly. Power and responsiveness in all parts of the powerband are crucial, I couldn't see myself enjoying a car with more lag then what we have with our stock turbo. Another example would be my friends WRX which is at around 300whp, his car is able to hang with mine from a roll on high in the rev range but overall he finds the overall nature of my car's powerband to be much more enjoyable. It all depends on whether you care about power before the 5500-7500rpm range.

As for the second part I agree with you in the fact that a larger turbo (cooler denser charge at comparable boost levels) and more conservative mapping is necessary to attain that type of power while allowing for the lowest denominations in fuel/weather conditions.

The FQ400 does have slightly more agressive cam profiles, im sure of that, and honestly I think a factory built WR equipped EVO utilizing something as mild as the HKS 264s would have little issue passing to the public. (Not that it would ever happen)

 

I disagree ... the FQ400 is rated at 400bhp ... that is roughly equivalent to a stock Evo that is running cams/3" exhaust/ems/and a 10.5 hotside. It will still have stock spool.

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well if u want a sh itty idle and a retune as weather changes then yea, but people dont want that

 

Well before we start talking actual output numbers... what do you think drivetrain loss Mitsu is using? 22-25%? Lets assume 23% drivetrain loss... then the FQ400 only has to make 325whp. 325whp and 23% drivetrain loss is 400bhp.

I know there is one guy on here who has intake, exhaust and flash and made 315whp... I think his name is SLEET. EMS, 10.5? I think not. Cams, MAYBE.

 

Hey, I made 306, 306 on 91 without cams or test pipe in 100 degree heat...where's the love?

 

23% i think is too much. thats saying a stock 2005 evo makes 212 whp. stock 2005 evo should make around 235 whp which would be about 15% loss.

15% loss on a fq400 would be 340whp which is still achievable with a buschur stage 4 car on a reflash.

 

can we have a chart with RPM instead of MPH?

Thanks

 

EDITED after reading a little bit more ... but still, there's no way a 325-340hp evo could keep up with a 580hp mercialago(spell check)...

 

Actually, 400 brake horse power is power at the flywheel. It may be underrated, but that is what brake horsepower means.

-Paul

 

get S.M.A.R.T. and all your issues...POOF!, gone

 

Im sorry. You're wrong. Oh, and a 400bhp EVO cannot keep up with a 580bhp Murceialgo. Its a television show.