White Rabbit Real Deal 415awhp
BR Stage 4 with 272s
Shell 93 with Meth
27lbs
ecu flash.
this would break into 400 whp with stock turbo, stock manifold.
but torque would be a little shy of 400.
but really if you do compare the consistancy of the dyno tuning on that, it looks very straight from the peak whp and torque.
they look very good.
it'll definitely be a lot quicker than peaking whp evo with that setup on stock turbo.
ran the 1/4 yet?
Shell 93 with Meth
27lbs
ecu flash.
this would break into 400 whp with stock turbo, stock manifold.
but torque would be a little shy of 400.
but really if you do compare the consistancy of the dyno tuning on that, it looks very straight from the peak whp and torque.
they look very good.
it'll definitely be a lot quicker than peaking whp evo with that setup on stock turbo.
ran the 1/4 yet?
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Originally Posted by statix
Ouch, those facts are hard to pass.
A stock turbo with alky and ems with supporting mods would also make around 400hp, I dont see the benefit, keep in mind, an alky equiped evo would have a longer torque curve also.
A stock turbo with alky and ems with supporting mods would also make around 400hp, I dont see the benefit, keep in mind, an alky equiped evo would have a longer torque curve also.
Originally Posted by SubiEvolved
dyno numbers mean nothing. when will people learn..........
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Actually - I can make more power with Methanol and pump gas than on race gas due to the intercoolling effect of the methanol it cools the charge dramatically which is a huge benefit especially when you have 100 degree ambient temps.
I'm looking forward to this magic
. Adding alky kit very soon on BRS4 272/272s with stock 03 turbo so it should be a good comparison (in some way) to this one here. I don't have AEM and don't have WR but I"m sure the $$$ I save is
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
To clarify - I agree that the WR is a great unit and that it represents a nice value.
My only beef was with the original 441 whp dyno claim on a car without cams. Now that I see the same tuner making less whp with more mods it just re-enforces my original assumptions.
My only beef was with the original 441 whp dyno claim on a car without cams. Now that I see the same tuner making less whp with more mods it just re-enforces my original assumptions.
The 415 run is what it is. 93 octane with methanol injection on a car with more than your basic bolton, meant to be driven every day.
Didn't you say yourself a few months ago that you could make more power on VP120 than you could on C-16, on average 30WHP without changing a thing in the tune?
I think this is another case of apples to apricots.
Originally Posted by GOKOU
Good numbers! Don't want to end up with a pissing game again but I don't know if this shows anything signifant about the WR unless you show what your prior numbers were. I've seen similar numbers with the stock turbo and meth. 
I like the WR but ????. To each their own.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=151505
I like the WR but ????. To each their own. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=151505
Originally Posted by Zeus
I don't know why this graph is applicable to this discussion other that the "peak" numbers ... in this graph you are clearly "stepping off the freight train" at 5500rpm compared to black evil evo's. The OE turbo in this graph would obviously have it's *** handed to it side by side, two drivers being even close to equal. Of course again this is an apples to grapefruit comparison anyway.
I think you and amny other must have taken it the wrong way
The idea was to point out that similar peak numbers can be achieve with stock turbo. Obviously we all know the WR is better then the stock turbo and it better be. For the extra $1550 and $1400-$2500 money he better win or 
Last edited by GOKOU; Aug 4, 2005 at 08:00 AM.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Actually - I can make more power with Methanol and pump gas than on race gas due to the intercoolling effect of the methanol it cools the charge dramatically which is a huge benefit especially when you have 100 degree ambient temps.
Originally Posted by 4G63>OOOO
The 441 run is what it is. 120 octane, $20.00/gallon leaded race fuel on a car with basic boltons.
The 415 run is what it is. 93 octane with methanol injection on a car with more than your basic bolton, meant to be driven every day.
Didn't you say yourself a few months ago that you could make more power on VP120 than you could on C-16, on average 30WHP without changing a thing in the tune?
I think this is another case of apples to apricots.
The 415 run is what it is. 93 octane with methanol injection on a car with more than your basic bolton, meant to be driven every day.
Didn't you say yourself a few months ago that you could make more power on VP120 than you could on C-16, on average 30WHP without changing a thing in the tune?
I think this is another case of apples to apricots.
Who gives a flying $%@# what the WR dynos? Not me, not on a forum where people post dynos daily from a half dozen different machines with a half dozen different correction factors and are IGNORANT enough to compare the sheets!
Take it to the track, it should easily best the stock turbo.
Originally Posted by 4G63>OOOO
So we know that methanol+ pump gas is a great combination, but can you be as aggressive with that as, say, a full tank of VP Import 120?
Originally Posted by GOKOU
I think you and amny other must have taken it the wrong way The idea was to point out that similar peak numbers can be achieve with stock turbo. Obviously we all know the WR is better then the stock turbo and it better be. For the extra $1550 and $1400-$2500 money he better win or
The idea was to point out that similar peak numbers can be achieve with stock turbo. Obviously we all know the WR is better then the stock turbo and it better be. For the extra $1550 and $1400-$2500 money he better win or