My TT numbers...why is the torque so low?
Originally Posted by 03evo**
ok listen i know wat people r sayin wat im sayin is we ran the car wit the same tune on a diff dyno and it put down the same numbers as it did wen on the first dyno
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Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
Gary has one of those evos' ... We put his car spiking to 22-23 psi.. Tapering down. Without going too much into how i tune, you would see knock activity by about a 20whp loss , in the dyno graph. Almost like a giant step.. Gary's car always made good power and he's a great driver. His best with a slipping clutch was 12.4 .. Now with the new clutch and a new tune he's going back to the track
Mark
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Mark
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I don't know how much difference the Forge BOV made, but I did replace the stocker after the car was tuned at 333/308.
ill put the sheets up i jsut odnt know how im at 21 psi im at 335 torque i think the results are posted on als site u mite not remeber my car but it wa sbout 6 months ago n it had chrome custom 3 piece 19 in rims on it but yes those are my numbers and i will make those caus ei also have bad sparks wen we tryed puttin the boost at 23 psi my power was fallin off due to my spark plugs put it down to 21 and i wa smaking 335 i have the dyno sheets or look on als thing..
Originally Posted by anjapower
I don't know how much difference the Forge BOV made, but I did replace the stocker after the car was tuned at 333/308.
OHHHHH boy ... now you tell me.. Makes a diff .. trust me. No hard feelings. I gotta jam home now so no more posts for me tonight. If you guys need anything please email me rather then put a post up, because 9/10 times i wont see it. Sorry again for the confusion..
Mark
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Originally Posted by 03evo**
ill put the sheets up i jsut odnt know how im at 21 psi im at 335 torque i think the results are posted on als site u mite not remeber my car but it wa sbout 6 months ago n it had chrome custom 3 piece 19 in rims on it but yes those are my numbers and i will make those caus ei also have bad sparks wen we tryed puttin the boost at 23 psi my power was fallin off due to my spark plugs put it down to 21 and i wa smaking 335 i have the dyno sheets or look on als thing..
Maybe its me .. can someone else explain it to. ..him
Mark
Turbotrix
I dont need to see your dyno sheets,,, i believe what you are telling me. What im saying is ... with how your car is right now ... today. It wont make that ft lbs on my dyno.. at 21psi of boost.
Originally Posted by 03evo**
ill put the sheets up i jsut odnt know how im at 21 psi im at 335 torque i think the results are posted on als site u mite not remeber my car but it wa sbout 6 months ago n it had chrome custom 3 piece 19 in rims on it but yes those are my numbers and i will make those caus ei also have bad sparks wen we tryed puttin the boost at 23 psi my power was fallin off due to my spark plugs put it down to 21 and i wa smaking 335 i have the dyno sheets or look on als thing..
Also on a straight line race, there is a chance that a Suby putting 298 awhp with 380 torque won't beat an Evo puttin 325 torque 335 awhp. It depends on a lot of factors. Rpm range, gearing, weight of the car ... all those add up. In fact, if we assume a 7500rpm redline on both cars, comparable weight, the Suby may infact lose ...
Last edited by DaWorstPlaya; Sep 15, 2005 at 02:41 PM.
wow and i thought i was bad. I have a 2005 evo and when i was first reflashed at turbotrix i made 288whp and 281 wtq. mods were turboback 3" with no car, lower piping, apexi fiilter, fuel pump, boost controller set to 21 psi. people with my mods were making 300-310 whp and 300-315 tq. and i was tuned in 58 degree weather. I always thought it was the tune but I now know it was a tiny leak i had that still let me hold high boost. so now i got flashed again from them and made 379 whp and 372 wtq with 280's and alky. my friend goes back the next day in the same temp with an 03 evo and makes 375 whp and 389 tq with 272/272 on alky. basically we have the same exact mods but i have a 2005 and he has a 2003 and i have 280/280 and he has 272/272 and he still made 18 more tq then me.
I know "some" people are going complain that i post my dyno numbers in every post i make which i think is funny but regardless take it for comparison purposes. so to recap
ON THE SAME DYNO, SAME TEMPERATURE, SAME BOOST LEVELS, A 2005 EVO WITH 280'S AND ALKY MADE 18 LESS TQ THEN A 2003 WITH 272'S.
SO MY 10.5 HOTSIDE AND 280'S DID NOTHING FOR ME
THE POINT IS: Every car is different, some make more tq some make less, some are freaks, some arent. whats important is what you gained. cams should net 20-30 whp. reflash should net 20-30whp. so when you get tuned, look for that and nothing else.
the first flash got i gained 30whp and 30 lbs of tq. that was just from a flash
then I did cams, alky injection and another flash and I gained 90whp 89 lbs of tq. thats what matters...
and the whole accuracy thing, i think dynojet is the most accurate dyno there is. If a car has 271 whp stock and puts down 206 whp, something is wrong. whether the dyno just reads inaccurately, or the car is messed up, its crazy. No car loses 40% of power. but then again a dyno is a scale. EXAMPLE:
WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND ONE SCALE SAYS 300 LBS AND THE OTHER SAYS 350 LBS WHAT DO YOU GO BY??? IF YOU LOSE 50 LBS AND THE 1ST ONE NOW SAYS 250 AND THE 2ND 300 THEN WTF DOES IT MATTER??? YOU LOST 50 LBS EITHER WAY.
you guys need to calm down with all this hating on turbotrix business. They do a good job and if something goes wrong they take care of it. If people arent happy i'm sure they're willing to retune the car. but dont flip out if Mark doesnt answer pm's, be a man and call the guy up. I've been to turbotrix a few times and i've never seen the guy even sit down, let alone use a computer. Hes busy from the min you walk in to the min you walk out. Your lucky if you even see the guy
I know "some" people are going complain that i post my dyno numbers in every post i make which i think is funny but regardless take it for comparison purposes. so to recap
ON THE SAME DYNO, SAME TEMPERATURE, SAME BOOST LEVELS, A 2005 EVO WITH 280'S AND ALKY MADE 18 LESS TQ THEN A 2003 WITH 272'S.
SO MY 10.5 HOTSIDE AND 280'S DID NOTHING FOR ME
THE POINT IS: Every car is different, some make more tq some make less, some are freaks, some arent. whats important is what you gained. cams should net 20-30 whp. reflash should net 20-30whp. so when you get tuned, look for that and nothing else.
the first flash got i gained 30whp and 30 lbs of tq. that was just from a flash
then I did cams, alky injection and another flash and I gained 90whp 89 lbs of tq. thats what matters...
and the whole accuracy thing, i think dynojet is the most accurate dyno there is. If a car has 271 whp stock and puts down 206 whp, something is wrong. whether the dyno just reads inaccurately, or the car is messed up, its crazy. No car loses 40% of power. but then again a dyno is a scale. EXAMPLE:
WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND ONE SCALE SAYS 300 LBS AND THE OTHER SAYS 350 LBS WHAT DO YOU GO BY??? IF YOU LOSE 50 LBS AND THE 1ST ONE NOW SAYS 250 AND THE 2ND 300 THEN WTF DOES IT MATTER??? YOU LOST 50 LBS EITHER WAY.
you guys need to calm down with all this hating on turbotrix business. They do a good job and if something goes wrong they take care of it. If people arent happy i'm sure they're willing to retune the car. but dont flip out if Mark doesnt answer pm's, be a man and call the guy up. I've been to turbotrix a few times and i've never seen the guy even sit down, let alone use a computer. Hes busy from the min you walk in to the min you walk out. Your lucky if you even see the guy
Originally Posted by TurbotrixRacing
what doesnt make sense..
As for the Dynojet, it's primary fault is that being an inertia load device, it cannot reproduce actual street loading. The Mustang unit proved more accurate in a published test about 2 years ago, but that's another subject for another thread . . .
Just FYI.
Last edited by Ted B; Sep 15, 2005 at 03:42 PM.
Originally Posted by Ted B
The drivetrain losses cannot be anchored to a flat percentage of engine power. If we increase engine power by 100bhp, the power required to turn the drivetrain remains relatively unchanged. Therefore that 20% figure becomes smaller as engine power increases, which means a flat percentage cannot be applied arbitrarily.
As for the Dynojet, it's primary fault is that being an inertia load device, it cannot reproduce actual street loading. The Mustang unit proved more accurate in a published test about 2 years ago, but that's another subject for another thread . . .
Just FYI.
As for the Dynojet, it's primary fault is that being an inertia load device, it cannot reproduce actual street loading. The Mustang unit proved more accurate in a published test about 2 years ago, but that's another subject for another thread . . .
Just FYI.
Originally Posted by NOLIMITMOTORS
and the whole accuracy thing, i think dynojet is the most accurate dyno there is..
Accuracy is when you need very little adjustment from the dyno to the street.
Lets not get into this matchup.....
Originally Posted by NOLIMITMOTORS
wow and i thought i was bad. I have a 2005 evo and when i was first reflashed at turbotrix i made 288whp and 281 wtq. mods were turboback 3" with no car, lower piping, apexi fiilter, fuel pump, boost controller set to 21 psi. people with my mods were making 300-310 whp and 300-315 tq. and i was tuned in 58 degree weather. I always thought it was the tune but I now know it was a tiny leak i had that still let me hold high boost. so now i got flashed again from them and made 379 whp and 372 wtq with 280's and alky. my friend goes back the next day in the same temp with an 03 evo and makes 375 whp and 389 tq with 272/272 on alky. basically we have the same exact mods but i have a 2005 and he has a 2003 and i have 280/280 and he has 272/272 and he still made 18 more tq then me.
I know "some" people are going complain that i post my dyno numbers in every post i make which i think is funny but regardless take it for comparison purposes. so to recap
ON THE SAME DYNO, SAME TEMPERATURE, SAME BOOST LEVELS, A 2005 EVO WITH 280'S AND ALKY MADE 18 LESS TQ THEN A 2003 WITH 272'S.
SO MY 10.5 HOTSIDE AND 280'S DID NOTHING FOR ME
THE POINT IS: Every car is different, some make more tq some make less, some are freaks, some arent. whats important is what you gained. cams should net 20-30 whp. reflash should net 20-30whp. so when you get tuned, look for that and nothing else.
the first flash got i gained 30whp and 30 lbs of tq. that was just from a flash
then I did cams, alky injection and another flash and I gained 90whp 89 lbs of tq. thats what matters...
and the whole accuracy thing, i think dynojet is the most accurate dyno there is. If a car has 271 whp stock and puts down 206 whp, something is wrong. whether the dyno just reads inaccurately, or the car is messed up, its crazy. No car loses 40% of power. but then again a dyno is a scale. EXAMPLE:
WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND ONE SCALE SAYS 300 LBS AND THE OTHER SAYS 350 LBS WHAT DO YOU GO BY??? IF YOU LOSE 50 LBS AND THE 1ST ONE NOW SAYS 250 AND THE 2ND 300 THEN WTF DOES IT MATTER??? YOU LOST 50 LBS EITHER WAY.
you guys need to calm down with all this hating on turbotrix business. They do a good job and if something goes wrong they take care of it. If people arent happy i'm sure they're willing to retune the car. but dont flip out if Mark doesnt answer pm's, be a man and call the guy up. I've been to turbotrix a few times and i've never seen the guy even sit down, let alone use a computer. Hes busy from the min you walk in to the min you walk out. Your lucky if you even see the guy
I know "some" people are going complain that i post my dyno numbers in every post i make which i think is funny but regardless take it for comparison purposes. so to recap
ON THE SAME DYNO, SAME TEMPERATURE, SAME BOOST LEVELS, A 2005 EVO WITH 280'S AND ALKY MADE 18 LESS TQ THEN A 2003 WITH 272'S.
SO MY 10.5 HOTSIDE AND 280'S DID NOTHING FOR ME
THE POINT IS: Every car is different, some make more tq some make less, some are freaks, some arent. whats important is what you gained. cams should net 20-30 whp. reflash should net 20-30whp. so when you get tuned, look for that and nothing else.
the first flash got i gained 30whp and 30 lbs of tq. that was just from a flash
then I did cams, alky injection and another flash and I gained 90whp 89 lbs of tq. thats what matters...
and the whole accuracy thing, i think dynojet is the most accurate dyno there is. If a car has 271 whp stock and puts down 206 whp, something is wrong. whether the dyno just reads inaccurately, or the car is messed up, its crazy. No car loses 40% of power. but then again a dyno is a scale. EXAMPLE:
WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT AND ONE SCALE SAYS 300 LBS AND THE OTHER SAYS 350 LBS WHAT DO YOU GO BY??? IF YOU LOSE 50 LBS AND THE 1ST ONE NOW SAYS 250 AND THE 2ND 300 THEN WTF DOES IT MATTER??? YOU LOST 50 LBS EITHER WAY.
you guys need to calm down with all this hating on turbotrix business. They do a good job and if something goes wrong they take care of it. If people arent happy i'm sure they're willing to retune the car. but dont flip out if Mark doesnt answer pm's, be a man and call the guy up. I've been to turbotrix a few times and i've never seen the guy even sit down, let alone use a computer. Hes busy from the min you walk in to the min you walk out. Your lucky if you even see the guy
Last edited by fsugatorbait; Sep 15, 2005 at 04:43 PM.