My TT numbers...why is the torque so low?
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Originally Posted by fsugatorbait
TT was well under $300 for Anj and myself. WOT through the corners in wet weather is what Anj was speaking of. We both went to get the mail-ins done at the same time and both cars were driven the same. A few WOT 2-4th gear pulls is fine and totally understandable on the hwy.
Originally Posted by fsugatorbait
TT was well under $300 for Anj and myself. WOT through the corners in wet weather is what Anj was speaking of. We both went to get the mail-ins done at the same time and both cars were driven the same. A few WOT 2-4th gear pulls is fine and totally understandable on the hwy.
I'll never forget the time Martin at AMS was helping me set up some features on my AEM ecu back two years ago and it was raining hard in Chicago and we are doing tuning pulls in my evo making a solid 500 whp in the rain. What impressed me was Martin's total lack of fear and the evos amazing handling even in the rain. Its an amazing car.
Of course the ultimate tuning experience was road tuning several cars in light snow fall with David Buschur driving in Ohio. It was certainly a scary experience but I trust David's driving and the wonder of AWD.
The bottom line is as a full time tuner I tune cars almost every day and some days it rains. I prefer to test the cars even in the rain and I have had no problems driving them in the rain so long as I pick locations away from other cars.
Those who dont want me to test drive their cars - all you have to do is say so - I have no problem skipping that part of the process.
Last edited by DynoFlash; Sep 15, 2005 at 08:14 AM.
Originally Posted by anjapower
We had heard great things about the TT flash and it was a hundred bucks cheaper than Al's flash. The other thing that swayed me to TT was that Al beats on the cars very hard after the tune...something I didn't want taking place again. I figured I had nothing to lose.
To the person who got tuned, your numbers IMO are low for that dyno... especially torque. With just a tbe, mbc, and drop in filter ( with custom tune by al and nick) I put down 310 trq on a mustang dyno, and if you were on the same dyno, i think we would put out close to the same on hp numbers. Its got 30% to do with mods, and 70% to do with tuning. Choose your tuner wisely, I know I sure did.
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Originally Posted by bigjhoney
LOL what a pissy... You might consider that beating on your car, but I consider beating on it dropping the clutch at 5 g's and shifting at 8k. Making sure a tune feels good on the street IS NOT beating on a car, turbo trix just doesnt do it cause there lazy azz **** and can care less.
To the person who got tuned, your numbers IMO are low for that dyno... especially torque. With just a tbe, mbc, and drop in filter ( with custom tune by al and nick) I put down 310 trq on a mustang dyno, and if you were on the same dyno, i think we would put out close to the same on hp numbers. Its got 30% to do with mods, and 70% to do with tuning. Choose your tuner wisely, I know I sure did.
To the person who got tuned, your numbers IMO are low for that dyno... especially torque. With just a tbe, mbc, and drop in filter ( with custom tune by al and nick) I put down 310 trq on a mustang dyno, and if you were on the same dyno, i think we would put out close to the same on hp numbers. Its got 30% to do with mods, and 70% to do with tuning. Choose your tuner wisely, I know I sure did.
And I AM the person who got tuned. I know my numbers are low. It's just a bit unfortunate that one can't sift through all the BS and fanboism on this board to learn the truth. There are so many Turbotrix nutswingers on here that I was led astray. Now I know better.
Originally Posted by bigjhoney
LOL what a pissy... You might consider that beating on your car, but I consider beating on it dropping the clutch at 5 g's and shifting at 8k. Making sure a tune feels good on the street IS NOT beating on a car, turbo trix just doesnt do it cause there lazy azz **** and can care less.
To the person who got tuned, your numbers IMO are low for that dyno... especially torque. With just a tbe, mbc, and drop in filter ( with custom tune by al and nick) I put down 310 trq on a mustang dyno, and if you were on the same dyno, i think we would put out close to the same on hp numbers. Its got 30% to do with mods, and 70% to do with tuning. Choose your tuner wisely, I know I sure did.
To the person who got tuned, your numbers IMO are low for that dyno... especially torque. With just a tbe, mbc, and drop in filter ( with custom tune by al and nick) I put down 310 trq on a mustang dyno, and if you were on the same dyno, i think we would put out close to the same on hp numbers. Its got 30% to do with mods, and 70% to do with tuning. Choose your tuner wisely, I know I sure did.
Im sorry, but with your mods you did not put down 310 ft lbs on a mustang dyno. That or the dyno wasnt calibrated correctly or calibrated to 'fluff' the numbers a bit.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I confess that when its raining I can get carried away. What can be better than a freshly tuned evo on a rainy road?
I'll never forget the time Martin at AMS was helping me set up some features on my AEM ecu back two years ago and it was raining hard in Chicago and we are doing tuning pulls in my evo making a solid 500 whp in the rain. What impressed me was Martin's total lack of fear and the evos amazing handling even in the rain. Its an amazing car.
Of course the ultimate tuning experience was road tuning several cars in light snow fall with David Buschur driving in Ohio. It was certainly a scary experience but I trust David's driving and the wonder of AWD.
The bottom line is as a full time tuner I tune cars almost every day and some days it rains. I prefer to test the cars even in the rain and I have had no problems driving them in the rain so long as I pick locations away from other cars.
Those who dont want me to test drive their cars - all you have to do is say so - I have no problem skipping that part of the process.
I'll never forget the time Martin at AMS was helping me set up some features on my AEM ecu back two years ago and it was raining hard in Chicago and we are doing tuning pulls in my evo making a solid 500 whp in the rain. What impressed me was Martin's total lack of fear and the evos amazing handling even in the rain. Its an amazing car.
Of course the ultimate tuning experience was road tuning several cars in light snow fall with David Buschur driving in Ohio. It was certainly a scary experience but I trust David's driving and the wonder of AWD.
The bottom line is as a full time tuner I tune cars almost every day and some days it rains. I prefer to test the cars even in the rain and I have had no problems driving them in the rain so long as I pick locations away from other cars.
Those who dont want me to test drive their cars - all you have to do is say so - I have no problem skipping that part of the process.
lol...you tuners are a rare breed.
So Al, you going to help us locals out and see if we are infact running too aggressively tuned. Maybe make a couple bucks too.
Originally Posted by anjapower
go read what I posted again..I don't care about WOT pulls. WOT pulls in the rain around corners is what scared me because I thought we were going to crash everytime.
And I AM the person who got tuned. I know my numbers are low. It's just a bit unfortunate that one can't sift through all the BS and fanboism on this board to learn the truth. There are so many Turbotrix nutswingers on here that I was led astray. Now I know better.
And I AM the person who got tuned. I know my numbers are low. It's just a bit unfortunate that one can't sift through all the BS and fanboism on this board to learn the truth. There are so many Turbotrix nutswingers on here that I was led astray. Now I know better.
Originally Posted by fsugatorbait
Im sorry, but with your mods you did not put down 310 ft lbs on a mustang dyno. That or the dyno wasnt calibrated correctly or calibrated to 'fluff' the numbers a bit.
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
The bottom line is as a full time tuner I tune cars almost every day and some days it rains. I prefer to test the cars even in the rain and I have had no problems driving them in the rain so long as I pick locations away from other cars.
Regardless, that stuff is in the past and my car came out unscathed and I don't care about it anymore.
What I do want to hear is a reply by TurboTrix as to why their tunes are causing so many problems....
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Originally Posted by bigjhoney
I have the dyno sheet sitting in front of me, and trust me everything was calibrated pefectly.
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Originally Posted by bigjhoney
ok i will post up my baseline sheet and final sheet in a matter of minutes.
We're not denying that your dyno spit out those numbers. We're questioning the accuracy of the dyno spitting out those numbers. Your dynosheets aren't going to prove anything.
Oh well cant find my baseline sheet and cant take a clear picture with my digi. My baseline numbers with a tbe untuned were 193 awhp 198 trq..... that was 3 months prior to the flash. That same day with the afc2 when I was tuned I put down 267 awhp 233 trq. Same mods 3 months later my baseline was just about the same I put down a little less hp. After the custom flash I put down 298 awhp 310 trq. Dont have to believe me, but nick and al and anyone their for the custom flash day seen it for themselves. I didnt believe tuning was as important as it is until I saw it fro myself that day.
Originally Posted by anjapower
lol...don't you understand?
We're not denying that your dyno spit out those numbers. We're questioning the accuracy of the dyno spitting out those numbers. Your dynosheets aren't going to prove anything.
We're not denying that your dyno spit out those numbers. We're questioning the accuracy of the dyno spitting out those numbers. Your dynosheets aren't going to prove anything.
[QUOTE=DynoFlash][QUOTE=anjapower] The other thing that swayed me to TT was that Al beats on the cars very hard after the tune...something I didn't want taking place again. I figured I had nothing to lose.
One of the very important things to realize about dyno tuning is that its only an approximation of real world conditions. A experienced dyno tuner will know from past use just how to set the tune so that when you get out on the road the tune is very close. However, as the dyno is a mere approximation (especially the dyno jet) it is important to check the tune on the street very carefully to assure that the tuning paramaters aer set properly to avoid knock.
The rational for my very hard test driving on customers cars after the tune is becuase that is the only way to determine if the tune is safe and properly adjusted. A casual easy cruise will not tell you much about the knock. You need to run full throttle to make sure its running well. Evos are fast and this can become very stressful for customers who love their cars.
ANY CUSTOMERS who don't want me to test drive their cars simply have to say so.
After road testing well over 1,000 evos - there has never been any accident, or problems that have occured.
I want to avoid situations where people leave the dyno only to have the tune go flat the next day and feel knock induced puling of timing.
Just today, I was at mid ohio race track where I was tuning a Evo which is competing in the SCCA National Championships. It is a T2 class car which is essentialy a 100% stock power train. Today it was pushed for over one full hour of track testing being driven to the edge of its existance. My point is that doing a full throttle pass or two to test a tune is not going to do any harm to a properly tuned car.
Dude, My best friend has you on video taking his car out of an Off-ramp witht eh car kicking sideways, he has since said he will not bring you his car again for a flash. and besides him 4 others including myself will not have you tune our cars because of that. One of these 4 people also called you and asked you if you can dynoflash a car without test driving it and you told them NO.
I understand you want to see how the car is on the highway but it doesnt requier you driving, you could be in the passenger seat. but ya know what, **** it, even if you do drive the car YOU DONT NEED TO BE COMING OUT OF AN OFF-RAMP WITH THE BACK END SLIDING OUT. you could simply get the car on the highway and 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear pulls straight shifting around 7000-75000 rpm. Are you even datalogging these runs??? or just driving the car to se how it is?? I understand you have a car that is extremely fast but if someone cuts you off or gets madd for whatever reason at you for going fast and causes you to get into an accident, are you going to give the customer your car??? Are you going to buy them a new car???
I understand the need to be in the car for a test drive, i'll even go so far to say i understand you wanting to drive it, but it only needs a few pulls in a straight direction to see how it is. its unprofessional to be whipping peoples cars around turns.
One of the very important things to realize about dyno tuning is that its only an approximation of real world conditions. A experienced dyno tuner will know from past use just how to set the tune so that when you get out on the road the tune is very close. However, as the dyno is a mere approximation (especially the dyno jet) it is important to check the tune on the street very carefully to assure that the tuning paramaters aer set properly to avoid knock.
The rational for my very hard test driving on customers cars after the tune is becuase that is the only way to determine if the tune is safe and properly adjusted. A casual easy cruise will not tell you much about the knock. You need to run full throttle to make sure its running well. Evos are fast and this can become very stressful for customers who love their cars.
ANY CUSTOMERS who don't want me to test drive their cars simply have to say so.
After road testing well over 1,000 evos - there has never been any accident, or problems that have occured.
I want to avoid situations where people leave the dyno only to have the tune go flat the next day and feel knock induced puling of timing.
Just today, I was at mid ohio race track where I was tuning a Evo which is competing in the SCCA National Championships. It is a T2 class car which is essentialy a 100% stock power train. Today it was pushed for over one full hour of track testing being driven to the edge of its existance. My point is that doing a full throttle pass or two to test a tune is not going to do any harm to a properly tuned car.
Dude, My best friend has you on video taking his car out of an Off-ramp witht eh car kicking sideways, he has since said he will not bring you his car again for a flash. and besides him 4 others including myself will not have you tune our cars because of that. One of these 4 people also called you and asked you if you can dynoflash a car without test driving it and you told them NO.
I understand you want to see how the car is on the highway but it doesnt requier you driving, you could be in the passenger seat. but ya know what, **** it, even if you do drive the car YOU DONT NEED TO BE COMING OUT OF AN OFF-RAMP WITH THE BACK END SLIDING OUT. you could simply get the car on the highway and 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear pulls straight shifting around 7000-75000 rpm. Are you even datalogging these runs??? or just driving the car to se how it is?? I understand you have a car that is extremely fast but if someone cuts you off or gets madd for whatever reason at you for going fast and causes you to get into an accident, are you going to give the customer your car??? Are you going to buy them a new car???
I understand the need to be in the car for a test drive, i'll even go so far to say i understand you wanting to drive it, but it only needs a few pulls in a straight direction to see how it is. its unprofessional to be whipping peoples cars around turns.