I am sorry that you guys dont want to do business with me.

Your friend who called must have some miscommunication issue. I do two kinds of tunes - street tune and dyno tune.

The policy was and always will be on DYNO TUNE that the test drive is OPTIONAL and at customer's choice

Our preferred method is to test drive the car and then have the customer go for a test drive - if both myself and the customer are satisfied with how the car is running the tune is completed

Those who dont want me to test drive the car it is no problem to skip that part

I am all too happy NOT to test drive a car its a liability and a resposnility - but I do it becuase this way I know the job is done right and I dont have to quess or wonder.

This applies to dyno tuned cars at my dyno shop of choice - Pruven in Milford, CT

Now as far as street tuned cars, I only tune them with myself driving as that is the only way I can get enough "feel" to get the job done properly.

In that case, if the customer is not comfortable with me driving it during the street tuning then I just can not do the tune.

I think this driving thing is really being exagerated by the way. 99.99% of the test driving is done on a straight highway on ramp doing a pull in 3rd gear.

There is a curve I take somehwhat fast some times when we turn around but I have been through that corner driving evos about 1,000 times so what feels fast to the customer is just a casual swing around the corner to test the way the tune loads onto boost through a corner to make sure its smooth.

Again those that dont feel confident with suich testing can just opt not to have me test the car

In 1,000 plus test drives not once did I crash anyone's car or break anyone's engine or transmission.


As for your friend with the video - - I can tell you that there have been quite a few customers over the past two years who come with videos who want to video tape my testing proceedure and who enjoy going for a fast drive, sliding sideways out of the corner. If in the video your pal is saying "slow the **** down" then I was prob going to fast. If in the video everyone was laughing and having a blast then its a sign that he was making the video to capture some fast driving.

One time a SWAT COP just about freaked out when I ran his car through 3rd gear on the staight ramp - - "Man are you trying to kill us, the speed limit is 55" Everyone has his her own idea of what is fast and what is too fast. I am just trying to make sure the car is tuned properly.

I can tell you that if you come on the test drive with 4 guys in the car and a video and tell me you want to see how fast the car is going after the tune, I am going to drive fast. I like driving fast and I have a lot of practice driving evos fast.

If fast driving is not your bag then just tell me you dont want me to test drive the car - END OF STORY. You can test drive it YOURSELF and report back the results to me for any adjustments that you require.

 

Really ,,

How would you explain Mitsubishi who publish the Evo VIII to have 271 hp .. And it puts down 235 whp on a dynojet. Factor in the 20% drivetrain loss and i'd say its pretty damn accurate ..

Mark
Turbotrix

 

FWIW, I don't buy into a static percentage for drivetrain losses. If you think about it, that doesn't really make sense. I don't buy into the concept of considering dyno numbers as models of accuracy although their precision can be especially useful for making comparisons.

Anyway, carry on...

 

Thanks for the all the help...It's really very reassuring to know that you don't check a car on the street after dyno tunes now.

 

Matt, ,,, how many screen names is that for you now .. ? 3 ? I tuned your car to 345 whp.. Many times, for free i might add. And just so i know and everyone else , your car is knocking how ? Because your car traps 108.. doesnt mean your car is knocking.

Anja power ..

I remember your car, i never said i couldnt tune 720 injectors on a flash, what i said was, with the mods you had it would be better if you had stock injectors. Drivability ect. The utec car was tuned and i did numerous pulls in 4th gear on the dyno to make sure there wasnt any knock. You took it on the turnpike and you said yourself it didnt do it in any other gear. When you load a car up in a top gear its hard to sim that on the dyno. ESP dynojet. I did not have time to take the car on the NJ turnpike.. You said your car is knocking like crazy.. Like i said before and i'll say again. Your car was setup on the utec with a knock threshold of 16.. I could of left it like that , and you wouldnt seen any knock EVER ... I put it at 4.. So what that means is .. if you blip a 5 count in 5th gear on the highway , it will blink the same if its a 17count. So to say your car was knocking like crazy is def a bit overexaggerated. I couldnt get a 1count on the dyno...

I really cant believe what im reading in this thread. Your complaining because you made 309 ft lbs of torque. What i posted in another thread is that @ 21 lbs of boost your car didnt make 340 ft lbs at pruven. Take it for what its worth, i even offered you 500 dollars to come down and see if you could come close to that torque figure on our dyno. But no response... why because you cant.

Typical cars with cams will make anywhere from 315-345 whp .. depends on the mods boost ect.. There was nothing wrong with your car before or after it left

The boost number your car is tuned at is what your car leaves with. I dont turn up the boost and get you a number then turn it down for you to go on your way.

And what other way would i have checked your car then with a boost gauge ? Im really confused...

I know your both buddy's but what your *****ing about is ridiculous.. I really dont know why you dont want the 500 dollars,, easy money ...

Just so we all know,,, 90% of torque numbers on evo's are from boost...It comes on soo fast that even if the car knocks it wont have to time to pull timing until after your torque numbers are achieved ..

Take a car from 21psi who makes 309 ft lbs of torque ..and put his car to 23-24 psi , you will see 340 ft lbs of torque...

Ask the people from WE GO FAST , they came up from virginia last week.. 6 people that were previously tuned by someone else. Ask them about their experience..

Mark
Turbotrix

 

Why the sarcasm ? If you wanted it street tuned or " tested " you could of said. Like i said above, i did numerous pulls in 4th gear .. and it only did it on the NJ turnpike. Nothing i would of done around here would of sim that. Again .. I didnt have time to take it on the NJ turnpike ,, sorry

Mark
Turbotrix

 

Mark I think your confusing the cars that were there. The car your talking about tuning with the UTEC is 8asti. Anj drove the blue car and I had the white car that came down that day.

About the $500, you offered that to Randy in one of Dynoflash's thread...
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...=158492&page=2

 

Ted ,,

what doesnt make sense.. Put any 4wheel drive vehicle on the dyno , get a number from what the factory says,, take out 20% and you'll get that +, - 5 whp everytime. Makes alot of sense for me ..


Mark
Turbotrix

 

I guess i am... thought all you guys were real cool. Dont know why the hostlity.. I would of dyno'd again with more boost.. and got you a torque number. I've flashed so many evo's .. i dont need to take them on the street. Your not tuning for closed loop O2 .. So whats the point. The Open loop can be found at full throttle on the dyno.. and will not effect in any way driveability .. Sorry you guys are all unhappy,, first im hearing of it .

Mark
Turbotrix

 

No ... randy is from PR... i was offering it to your buddy who thinks he made 340ft lbs at 21psi of boost ..

xxjxx

Mark
Turbotrix

 

Mark what your not understanding is that it is not always 20%, just b/c its your dyno doesn't mean its right

Edit*so how do you explain a Mustang Dynometer reading 206WHP on a stock Evo?

 

yeah man you should have gotten better numbers I think. My friend put down 306WHP, and 289wt with a 3 inch turbo back exhaust, cone filter only, fidanza flywheel and act clutch, and afc mildy tuned, still room for better tune and at 21 psi. I think you should have been able to get around 340. Maybe you have a boost leak somewhere check it out and see man

 

all i can say is dyno flash turbo trix tuned me and then i went and got dyno flashed by al i got more then 30 more whp then with my tt tune

 

Your half right, yes Randy is from PR, but the car in Al's case study was xxJxx whom none of us have met.

 

NO but its a great rule of thumb.. 18 - 20 % is very accurate, doesnt matter what car. Eclipse , Talon , Evo , Porsche. .. I dont speak of just my dyno but i can speak for every dynojet. Regardless, its just a tool ..


Mark
Turbotrix