This is how my Full-Race turbo kit install went today......
First, I'm not going to get personal. We are just talking about turbo kits.
Gee, the stock little turbo and CAST manifold uses a brace too. Do you think that maybe it has to do with good design, and not the other way around?
You Full-Race guys keep coming on here defending yourself by trashing good companies like AMS and Tuning Technologies. That why I got involved in the first place. By the way, I don't believe that Full Race is even a vendor on this forum.
Why on earth wouldn't I compare AMS's turbo kit to Full-Race's. I gaurantee you that is what EVERY single person preparing to spend over $4400 bucks on a turbo kit is going to do as well. Ease of installation is FANTASTIC on the AMS kit, I don't have boost creep issues like you insinuate, and what is it that you specifically dislike about the Wastegate placement? A beginner can install the AMS kit and save hundreds of dollars.
You said it. It is a difficult to install kit. AMS kit installs in about 1 1/2 hours (beginner in terms of difficulty) and is only good for 9.9 at 145mph in the 1/4 (advanced in terms of performance).
Actually, it has been my experience that folks take kits on and off for a variety of reasons: First install, headwork, engine work, to sell, to change turbo size, and finally to sell.
I'd rather be "hardcore" when racing, not installing.
Originally Posted by Mase
if anyone has seen a lot of turbo kits, it would be me. now, im more of a honda guy....
Your FACT about not bracing sure is true. Full-Race does not use braces, others do. Do you know why? why dont you compare the welding procedure, the material used, the thickness, etc etc.
Your FACT about not bracing sure is true. Full-Race does not use braces, others do. Do you know why? why dont you compare the welding procedure, the material used, the thickness, etc etc.
Originally Posted by Mase
Should we even talk about the manifold design? wastegate placement on the ams kit is well rather wack. why do u think people have boost creep issues. and the rerouting of the dump in that area is not to my liking either.
Originally Posted by Mase
Nothing against any company who has x turbo kits, its sad that you come on here and try to compare an AMS kit vs a full-race kit. yes AMS has fast cars, cheers to them, extremely impressive. but i dont think you want to compare kits based on ease of installation.
Originally Posted by Mase
then you sit there and say, oh the full-race kit is too hard to install. well to someone who is used to putting on intakes and bolting on exhaust, Ok, you're right. This isnt a beginner kit. You will learn in any hardcore modification project, there will always be advantages and disadvantages.
Originally Posted by Mase
ok, so what if it takes a little longer to install it, are you going to be taking it off and on every weekend? no. once its on there, if you did your job right, u wont have to take it off for a very long time.
Originally Posted by Mase
The full-race kit has the hardcore enthusiast in mind that does what it takes to have the best quality, best performing equipment on the market.
Should we even talk about the manifold design? wastegate placement on the ams kit is well rather wack. why do u think people have boost creep issues. and the rerouting of the dump in that area is not to my liking either
Nothing against any company who has x turbo kits, its sad that you come on here and try to compare an AMS kit vs a full-race kit. yes AMS has fast cars, cheers to them, extremely impressive. but i dont think you want to compare kits based on ease of installation
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Originally Posted by Smogrunner
This is nothing new. Before anyone challenges rraulston for being unreasonable, please take a look here:
http://www.socalevo.net/index.php?op...&topic=19552.0
http://www.socalevo.net/index.php?op...&topic=19552.0
And in fairness to FR see below...
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...36#post1642936
Last edited by wingless; Mar 31, 2006 at 10:21 AM.
Originally Posted by Derek888
^^ that link dont work..
Fixed, and here as well. No judgement, just more perspective.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...36#post1642936
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Originally Posted by AutoMotoSports
There are more 10 sec and sub 10 cars running the AMS turbo kits then any other Turbo kits manufactured for the EVO VIII. Its a fact.
Eric
Originally Posted by danl
LOL are you kidding me? i know tons of cars with rather large turbos running the AMS kit that creep like a mother****er.
POOR MANIFOLD DESIGN.
Ive also seen one crack, thats why you try to fix your shoddy job with braces.
ok, so it fits well. but i cant wait to see when someone does a back to back comparison of the full-race vs AMS. it will show that full-race does their homework.
speaking of, where did your guys get their engineering degree AMS? im curious to know.
if you are so quick to fire back, then spout off hey dont start a pissing match, why dont you keep your *** eaters in check and not make it a AMS vs Full-race thread.
POOR MANIFOLD DESIGN.
Ive also seen one crack, thats why you try to fix your shoddy job with braces.
ok, so it fits well. but i cant wait to see when someone does a back to back comparison of the full-race vs AMS. it will show that full-race does their homework.
speaking of, where did your guys get their engineering degree AMS? im curious to know.
if you are so quick to fire back, then spout off hey dont start a pissing match, why dont you keep your *** eaters in check and not make it a AMS vs Full-race thread.
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Originally Posted by Creamo3
AMS' numbers speak for themselves. I have yet to hear anyone complain about one of their products and I guarantee that if there was an issue they would resolve it. Their kits make the fastest cars and the highest dyno numbers, what more do you want? I would be interested in hearing from all these people you know running their kits and maybe a pic of a cracked manifold would help also. Until then your just another idiot on the internet spitting random misinformation. Your other posts seem to insinuate that you enjoy trolling, grow up
Originally Posted by War Monger
Yeah man, Unless AMS has been killing and burying all their customers who complain, there record is spotless as far as I know.
Yeah who are all these unsatisfied people? Everything I read about AMS is positive for **** sake. TO be honest, this is the first time Ive heard negative things about Full-Race, I THOUGHT theyre products were not only top-notch design but engineered to fit perfectly, especially for that price (most expensive of all).
Sorry to see this thread head south so quickly.
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