Frustrated With Meth!!
Wow, i hope the 100% mix is a big swing in power. I am about to install my 3076 kit and I want to see race gas like #'s. I have been debating going with race gas just to get the best gains. I am hoping that 93+meth is going to be within +- 20hp of race gas. I have the AMS kit with the BIG nozzle and 100% meth and on the stock turbo I gained 60 hp and 60 ft/lbs at some RPMs (40 hp and 50 ft/lbs peak)
Mike I would HIGHLY suggest buying a different boost gauge.
When i went to Pruven for hte 2nd time to get dynoed I thought I was running 23psi... I got on the dyno and made 340whp.... I was like wtf... Al told me that boost guage was crap... and showed me that iwas reading horribly innacurate. Turned the boost up to 23psi ACTUALLY and power shot to 361.. yada yada.
When i went to Pruven for hte 2nd time to get dynoed I thought I was running 23psi... I got on the dyno and made 340whp.... I was like wtf... Al told me that boost guage was crap... and showed me that iwas reading horribly innacurate. Turned the boost up to 23psi ACTUALLY and power shot to 361.. yada yada.
Originally Posted by blackevo110
You can run a higher concentration of meth. That's great. However, if you go 100% you'll get a lot of evaporation. 75% meth 25% water will yield results almost as good as 100% meth and you won't lose a lot of meth on a daily basis due to evaporation. Meth boils at 93 degrees if IIRC. Add water and it jumps to high 100's low 200's based on concentration.
Originally Posted by blackevo110
Also, target AFR will be in the 11's. This is due to the fact that the meth will make you reading indicate richer. Because the 02 sensor gives you a reading on the meth and the fuel. Meth stoich is like 8.9 or something close and fuel is 14.7. A reading of 11.5 would actually be around mid to high 12's on fuel. Many people tune too lean because they added meth. The smaller the nozzle the higher the target afr (due to less meth and more fuel)
also meth stoichiometric ratio to air is 6.45:1, 6.45 parts air to 1 part meth. GASOLINE (calling it fuel is pretty abstract) you are correct on, 14.7:1.
for those tuning with methanol. your better off not worrying about AFR, and look at lambda. any wideband will have a lambda reading... use that. and that whole, "readings of 11.5 would be 12 on gasoline", that makes no sense. if you have a gaslone/methanol mixture and you have a reading of 11.5 AFR, that really means nothing, as you are mixing fuels, and o2 sensors don't know that. all they do is measure the oxygen in the exhaust. the sensor then sends a signal to a controller/display, which for ordinary purposes is 90% of the time using gasoline, thus it converts the lambda value into a AFR (of gasoline). if you used 100% methanol and no gasoline, that same sensor would read 11.5 AFR when the lambda value would be around .8, but we all should know that it is because the display was not reprogrammed to account for the proper AFR of meth, which had it been it would display around 5.2:1 AFR. if none of this made anysense, at least get this out of it:
when mixing different types of fuels, do NOT use air fuel ratio to tune with. use lambda!!!
ok,
Mike had his friend come here with a red 1 gallon bottle of "boost juice." He asked if we could run that instead of the 100% methanol mix we usually run on evo's.. The car is only runnin 26psi instead of 30psi due to the fact that the car wasn't responding as well with the 50/50 boost juice mix. The car would perform much better with 100% non lubricated methanol.
-Mike
Mike had his friend come here with a red 1 gallon bottle of "boost juice." He asked if we could run that instead of the 100% methanol mix we usually run on evo's.. The car is only runnin 26psi instead of 30psi due to the fact that the car wasn't responding as well with the 50/50 boost juice mix. The car would perform much better with 100% non lubricated methanol.
-Mike
Last edited by TurbotrixRacing; Sep 25, 2006 at 01:12 PM.
i wasnt knockin turbo trix or anything.... just asking for some suggestions as to why the numbers were low. my boost gauge is readin 28 psi and ill be checkin the calibration tonight. TT has been very helpful to me with my other reflash and installs.
Originally Posted by mikerobave
i wasnt knockin turbo trix or anything.... just asking for some suggestions as to why the numbers were low. my boost gauge is readin 28 psi and ill be checkin the calibration tonight. TT has been very helpful to me with my other reflash and installs.
i did a boost leak test today and found that the Tial BOV gasket had broken and i had a big leak there. other than that, all my IC piping was good
i checked the accuracy of my boost gauge and it was extremely close to my digital gauge.
i turned the boost down to 25 psi just bc i fixed the leak and didnt want to push it past my safe tune and it still felt pretty strong at 25.
So im hopin that the boost leak was the main cause and i can set up a tune in the near future for 100% meth.
Thanks for all your input
i checked the accuracy of my boost gauge and it was extremely close to my digital gauge.
i turned the boost down to 25 psi just bc i fixed the leak and didnt want to push it past my safe tune and it still felt pretty strong at 25.
So im hopin that the boost leak was the main cause and i can set up a tune in the near future for 100% meth.
Thanks for all your input
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