no u don't know? or no it won't work?

 

I think the 9 turbo is a great upgrade for people like me who:

1. Do not want to open up their engine and install cams
2. Do not want to lose spool up with a big turbo since I intend to road race the car. I do not mind losing 200-300 rpm in spool up but most of the upgrade turbo charts I have seen lose 800-1000 rpm in spool up.
3. Do not want to upgrade to methanol injection or anything beyond a TBE, a drop-in filter and a tune-up.
4. Want a bolt-in turbo w/o having to change anything else beyond pipes for the IX turbo.

If these four describe you, then the IX turbo is for you.

 

no, it won't work.

 

and if the top 3 describe you, a 50-trim is sweet!

 

great stealthy upgrade, go for it

 

Great post Pd1 !

You should get an award for that.

 

gret ggreat thread

thanks for the info INCLUDING but not limited to the intsal kit part numbers.

i gmailed that list to myself

for future use

 

Economically, upgrading an 8 turbo to a 9 would be wasteful - there are much more cost efficient ways to make car faster. If it's in your budget however, go for it.

Bottom line is much more volume of air produced with 9 T

 

i installed my ix turbo on my 03 8 and the power is a whole lot better in the midrange...the power doesnt die out as fast as the regular 8/05-8 turbo's...no install kit is needed but you will need to shorten rubber water lines/slightly bend oil feed line/use 8 oil return line/use ix turbo outlet pipe...and thats it for the install...i have no leaks an have been running on this turbo for the past 5 1/2 months...awesome autox turbo imho...the spool up really didn't change...unnoticable to the human butt and eyes...
--worth the swap...yes!!!...only if you want a stealthy 3xx hp car!!!
--the turbo swap alone...without any tunes/mods, gave me a 3.7 mph increase in 1/4mile in 97 degree weather!!!
----i need a little more power...400 is my range so the only way there would be a 50 trim or higher!!!

 

Can someone would kindly post before and after dyno sheets? The only one I found was from "Exciting News" and it had issues. I want some numbers that will CLEARLY show the 20 hp gain that is talked about.

 

I guess those 4 points describe me too. I made 289 whp and 277 wtq on Atlantic Motor Sports' dyno with my 03 evo 8. The mods were espelir dp, 3 inch turbo back, k&n drop in and xede. I would welcome an additional 25 hp with the Evo 9 turbo.

 

It's really foolish to upgrade the turbo and not do the cams, though. There are VERY few reasons to not do cams.

NJ, look up threads by Stinkapuss. He gained .2s/2mph in the 1/4 after switching from a IX turbo on his 05, and I think he also showed a dyno comparison.

 

There are valid reasons (to me at least) why I am hesitant to do cams:

1. Cams work by shfiting the power curve from mid-to-low range to the top end. I really do not want to do that on my daily driven car. I can go with 264 cams to compromise, but IMO 272 cams are the best.

2. If I get 272 cams, then the idle is not going to be as smooth as stock. I really do not want a lumpy idle. I know that idle can be improved, but it will still be lumpy.

3. Cams are noisy and might cause phantom knock. Phantom knock will lead to pulled timing and other issues. More than likely this is NOT going to happen, but it has been known to happen.

4. Cams are far more noticeable by the dealer than a stock 9 turbo if ever you have to take your car for warranty service.

5. I am really hesitant to do internal work on my engine. I really want to keep it closed.

 

Does anyone know what has to be changed (in regards to timing or fuel mapping, like in Ecuflash) if you switch from a Evo8 to Evo9 turbo?

I would think you need to increase the fuel, and decrease timing, to accomodate the slightly larger turbo to prevent detonation? Or am I completely off?

 

One thing is for sure.....if you aren't doing the swap yourself then bend over. If you can get a good deal on a used 9 turbo and sell your 8 turbo and do the work yourself.....its a no brainer. Do it.

But if you are going to buy a new turbo and pay someone else to install it all for a very minor bump in power you are silly.

If you haven't done cams then you shouldn't upgrade the turbo. The 05 turbo will flow just as much air on a non-cammed EVO as the 06 turbo. People have seen gains of 20WHP on cammed EVO's because it flows better up top. We still haven't seen any documented proof of consistant performance gains. One guys said it provided 4mph in the 1/4. Obvisously he had other issues that were corrected. Other dyno's also have additional mods added into the mix like O2 housings. Even boost settings have been changed. There haven't been any fair comparisons or dyno charts posted. If they are out there, post them.

Either way its not worth the trouble on a non-cammed car.

FYI - as far as dealer noticing cams....once the stock exhaust is put back on the car my HKS 272s are invisible. The idle is rock solid and there's no loppy sound to give them away.