im sure something is still off....

 

How was the test fair at all, the comparaison was made between two uncomparable exhaust setups, just like the last test. A "Greddy" downpipe dosent even exist, and there is speculation that the stock catalytic converter was in place. This test is just as useless as the other, there is no possible way that a bolt on evo was missing 23 hp over an exhaust. If Al had made a claim like "BR 3 inch TBE makes 8 wheel hp peak and up to 12 on different parts of the graph more than a Megan downpipe, TTP testpipe and Greddy SP2 catback, than it would be a beleivable comparison.

 

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LISTEN, SOME OF YOU ARE FLAT OUT IGNORANT AND CANNOT READ.

Forget the testing, forget Al, forget the thread. LEARN TO READ BEFORE YOU CALL AL NAMES AND ASK FOR HIM TO BE BANNED.

For Christ's sake. AL very clearly said the customers car had a full 3" exhaust on it with cat. He ASSumed the 3" downpipe and cat were Greddy because the catback was GREDDY. He ASSumed wrong BUT THE CAR DID HAVE A 3" DOWNPIPE AND A 3" CAT ON IT.

Some of you just have no right being involved in any conversation. READ the thread and watch the video. ALL THE INFORMATION IS HERE.

Also the crap with "Let the product speak for itself" is crap. How exactly does a product speak for itself? Are you suppose to just read the advertisement on it and check the price and go from there? If that's the case I can make a list of EVO parts that actually SUCK but they are advertised to be great.

Products don't SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. Products need to be proven on the dyno, track and real world.

Wow.

 

Then stop with the bloody tests already. You and your testing are getting old.
Jesus is business that bad for you and Buschur that every week a new "This exhaust is better than this crap......." thread has to show up?
Then you wonder why you get negativity.
Maybe the forum has had enough of you too!

 

I have nothing aginst you or your product, but do you honestly expect people here to beleive that a 23 hp difference was made on a bolt on car with a different exhaust, FFS, you could have a rollercoaster style loop in the middle of it, and as long as its 3 inches I doubt its going to do more than 10 hp's damage on a 300 hp region car. Im not doubting your expertise here, im doubting Al's honesty. There has to be something different with the exhaust, be it the tune or whatnot I have no idea as I wasnt there. I will say, yet again, another exhaust comparison from Al, where the WAS a HFC in place in the first exhaust, and it was compared, as if the same, to an exhaust WITH NO CAT. That is no way fair, and is worth about 10-12 wheel hp, and you know it. I would have no problem, and now have no problem, beleiving that your exhaust made 10-12 wheel HP more than a Greddy unit that was designed to be quiet, coupled to a HFC, and a 3 inch DP. I really am not arguing that your exhaust dosent make more power, just that Al is attempting to deceive people here by saying 23 wheel hp when its obvious that more contrbuted to that difference. Again, this is not an attack on you or your parts, which are obviously of great quality to produce what I look at as around a 10-12 wheel hp difference to a comprable 3 inch exhaust, its an attack on the bull**** that is being pushed on people who dont know any better.

 

You have been bashing ebay exhaust for some time now Al. How come everytime it comes to a test you are testing a random mix and match exhaust system and they ALL have had cats which were removed with the buschur install? If these tests are so important to you and you are so sure the BR exhaust will make more power how about you go and test the FULL ebay turboback over the FULL buschur turboback and see how they compare? I bet the difference in power is no where near what you are describing right now.

Yet another flawed test by Al.

No disrespect to BR as they do make very high quality parts.

 

Evo IX MR, please stop being a ******. There is no reason for attacks on Dave at all, he hasnt done anything wrong, as for the attacks on Al, they were also uncalled for, now attacks on his business practices and his bogus tests are on the table, but why must we bring childish insults and schoolyard putdowns to an otherwise pretty civil arguement. I figured to drive a car you have to be at least 16, unfortunatly 16 dosent always come with maturaty.

 

If you were doing a direct comparison test none of this would happen, full three inch system with a test pipe. How about a Greddy Ti vs the Buschur? That's a little more apples to apples.

 

Because we have already established that GREDDY DOSENT MAKE DOWNPIPES. There is no comparison to be made, if GReddy is in the name, its not a full TBE from one company. The only comparisons that need to be made properly are the Megan exhaust and the PROPER ebay exhaust, not the especially crappy one that has been compared already, maybe some of the big bling JDM baller exhaust can be compared if you want to front the bill.

 

actually not taking sides but the sp2 is the most restrictive and makes the least amount of power out of all greddy exhausts and this is true for all the platforms it is offered, it is meant to be quiet and generaly show little gains when compare to the more free flowing such as Buschur, AMS, TurboXS ETC ETC ETC so i could definately see a huge improvement in swaping it out for one of the mentioned exhaust systems.

 

Yeah, greddy sp2 is like stock restrictive. I think the noise level has to do with the power. My old Helix made a lot of power compared to many exhausts I have tried. But It was the most loudest them all. and I got 3 tickets to prove it.

 

Name that down pipe if you can - they all look the same to me







Our dyno tester and shop owner

 

Out of all the cat-backs that were tested by Turbo magazine in issue March 2006 the GReddy titanium cat-back produced the most power. This cat-back has 80mm piping and as straight as possible. Yes, there is a neck down where it meets the cat, but that's not point. What I'm trying to get at was that test was a true apples to apples test and your's was not. You should do test like that, not this stupid *** and shady garbage.

The GReddy titanium cat-back produced 27.5whp over stock and 22.1 wheel foot pounds of torque over stock.

Bottom line is that not all GReddy exhaust rob power.

 

lol, i got 3 tickets to prove it!!