Erik@MIL.SPEC

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I think he was trying to hint at the implied man-love expressed between you and DB (and possibly Al).


Now remember, don't kill the messenger

thatguy

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Outrageous? How about spending 8k for a turbo upgrade on a B5 s4, or ~1400 in ICs?

Pricing is all relative IMO, and BR offers parts that PERFORM for a very competitive price. How many other vendors sell turbo-kits for 3k that actually perform and how many come with customer service and support?

The proof is in the pudding and with 600whp being so "ordinary" now days on evom, I doubt you will find any xs power ic's on them. If you want run the XS power FMIC thats fine, but I'll use parts that have been proven time and time again.

Erik@MIL.SPEC

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I'm surprised riceball777 spent an outrageous amount of money on an automobile like the Evo when he could have purchased a Honda Fit for much less. Or a '72 Buick Electra convertible.

Stealth Ag

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well here we are on Page8


A summary for those who dont feel like reading

Dave created the most standardize test within his power. And showed that the ebay core does not dissipate heat at an acceptable rate. Showing a large jump in ending temp in a single run. His race intercooler on the other hand showed nominal increase in a secession of dyno runs, thus proving its ability to dissipate heat.

Daves test WAS NOT DESIGNED TO SHOW:
False Data, all data was presented
HP capacity, the test was for heat dissipation
Flow rates, no air flow sensors where used
Anything about the stock core, there is no test data here....you want the data do another test yourself



What does this conclude? Bushur's core dissipates heat better.

The rest of the thread consisted of a bunch of finger-in-ear 3rd grade tantrums screaming "NAH UH"

The test was done to make The average buyer consider the following

Is his core worth the $? Maybe not

Can you buy a core for less than his? again maybe not

Is the ebay core capable of dissipating heat at the same rate as a properly designed core?.......a sound, and solid....no

btw...i own an ebay intercooler,

do i think it works better than the stock cooler?

sure do

Do i suffer delusions that it works better than a well designed one?

nope




Nice job Dave

Peteypab2133

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You obviously owned a 1st GEN eclipse before this and still use the same throught process...

1) i dont have to justify how i spent my money, because i purchase alot of stuff slightly used if i can "excluding suspensions, turbos, and minor fuel things" Its not how much you gain, its how much you don't lose think before you speak

2) that is correct, and a "PRODUCTIVE" part is something you should spend more money if it is going to show positive gains or help to not lose the power and be inefficient then purchase the better part... (I could see buying a CF arm rest or a CF heat shield on ebay, because it is what it is, and quality is sacrificible becuase it is a NON PRODUCTIVE part.)

3) You probably would go out and buy that sweet MR manifold and put a sweet ATP turbo kit on it right? ? ? ( I enjoy watching videos of cars like yours at the track or on a dyno getting LOW HP numbers and then get on here and say "my tuner was crappy" or "it was hot outside" makes me feel all the more accomplished)
I am not a salesmans best dream, but I am not a cheapo either.. I understand that i did purchase a $30+ K car and would like my car to perform to the maximum ability.

4) 1% my ***.. it raised 59.4 degrees.. made 10 less HP at 2 more PSI... Last time i checked, when you raise the PSI your HP goes up


Face it buddy, you dont know how to mod your evo... plain and simple, not trying to be ignorant, but while you are out getting your stencils from joanne fabrics spray painting your FAKE AMS on your FMIC think about the paint just dripping off while you get all that heat soak

Invoice EVO

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Interesting results. Glad I decided to save a my money to get the Race FM.

Wow! this bickering is great. Way to ruffle the feathers of all the anti Buschur people Dave. It's amazing how quick they are to bash you. What would they do if you didn't post on EVOm at all and just kept it to your site? Jarrod would probably slap the biatch ban on them when they try to e-thug on your tests/parts/pricing/.

Anyways, keep up the good work Dave. You've come along way in this business and I see that continuing for some time.

mchuang

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Bottom line if you dont like his tests dont buy the intercooler. No need to fuss here he was just providing data and he has his loyal customers who will always buy from him no matter what people say about an Ebay intercooler. Go buy a precision intercooler like someone else stated earlier if you feel Buschur is robbing you, it uses a garrett core also like Buschur and AMS and it is cheaper and you will probably get close to the same results as buschurs intercooler but it costs 595.00Buschurs may be still slighty better than precisions, same core, but cast endtanks vs sheetmetal who knows that is a whole other tests. It is like everytime Buschur posts the thread goes 40pages because of the back and forward food fight.

4G63 T

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Interesting result...now i need to upgrade my stocker to ARC.

SRT-TO-EVO

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LMFAO .

JMB8606

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on a gt35r that extra 2 psi could be equivlant to maybe 2hp. im just guessing giving a total loss of 30hp.

Tristar

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Its like these people have some sort of personal stock in Ebay, the knock off intercoolers, or both....

If you think the ebay intercooler better, if you think Buschur is lying, if you think Buschur is over-priced, why do you feel the need to make it your crusade to down him in a thread that had a proper test conducted with validated numbers? Just buy your Ebay intercooler and call it a day.

Are you that interested in helping other people? Or do you just want to argue with one of the most recognized 4G63 related shops on the US? If you guys are that much about helping others, there are other avenues that are much more deserving of your time...

Dapper Dan

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i would like to see some numbers on a smaller turbo.....im running one on my stocker but i would never consider this fmic on anything larger than a 20g......

staygold

Id like to see results on smaller turbo as well.

Buschur is obviously superior at higher levels but how does the deluxe compare to the race?

Paul Nelson

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Dave's done more for the evo community than anyone else that i can recall.
I just don't get the hate toward Dave's work all he has done is broken records and brought new innovations to the evo market

vwjeff

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WOW I got to post 38 and stopped right there .

Its just to bad that you ebay lovers only read what you want to

"But Dave your cooler is $600 more, and the ebay cooler is good for us with stock turbos"

Dramha Dramha Dramha

Thanks Dave, I knew that spending the extra money before this test was ever done or proly thought of for that matter was worth my $$$.

Come back tommarrow and tune into... As the Evom turns