Scorke,

From page two, we have not changed the pricing on the intercoolers to be
"equal". We recently had to raise prices across the board on intercoolers because of a $45 price hike on each core we buy. The Deluxe and Race FMIC's have always been the same price, the standard is the lowest priced one we offer. The Deluxe comes with lower i/c pipes, the race does not.

 

Ah gotcha good to know

How do you feel personally about your end tank designs on the Race core you offer vs the deluxe and have you ever felt that the inlet on the deluxe was a disadvantage?

Not saying it is, just something I would of thought would be quite restrictive.

I notice the race runs the regular inlet/outlet layout, do you feel that is better for higher flow applications or all of them?

Scorke

 

From page 3,

I agree with Subievolved, the thread title sucks. It comes across as bashing vendors and that is all that got my attention in the first place.

Scorke,

You are wrong in so many ways. First off, please before typing your opinions about how other end tanks are designed incorrectly TEST something. You think now that you are building ONE intercooler on your own somehow you are a genius on the subject? Would you like me to do some testing for you and show with a laser heat gun just how well distributed the air flow through our intercoolers are? One intercooler that isn't even finished surely doesn't make you an expert.

Also, I read Corky's book too. There are many things in that book back then that I didn't agree with then and still laugh at today, so it is not the bible on turbocharging/intercooling.

Also, you have said numerous times how much larger your core is than our Deluxe intercooler you pictured, big deal. It is actually less than 2" taller according to your dimensions, the same thickness and the same length. That isn't so stellar.

Our race FMIC is 12x4x24, if you were going to build an intercooler that really worked you should have gone thicker while you were at it, just like ours, Nisei's, AMS and other who have actually DONE TESTING.

 

The tank layout on the Deluxe is not ideal. It was done to make a kit with the shortest possible routing and it works, records have been set with that design. It is the same design used on the DSM cores and I can tell you MANY records have been set with that design.

I build 90% of what I need because I enjoy it just like you do, so I understand and appreciate a guy that wants to do that. BUT I do not build something for my turbo Buick and then go onto a public forum and tell everyone how much better my stuff is than what I had from XX company or how this design or that design sucks or how they can F*** high prices and do it themselves.

 

while scorke apparently does not feel your design is best (on the deluxe) whats the harm in letting him find out for himself.

The kid isnt making a product to sell, he is showing what he is making for his set-up

Granted, he has made some observations regarding flow characteristic that may or may not prove to be incorrect.

But to put this in perspective, your in a pissing contest with an 8 year old.

Who is the one that looks ridiculous? The grown *** man or the 8 year old?

If anything i applaud the fact that you published your pricing, cut the kid a break and explain WHY your stuff is better, chopping at him like a lumberjack on acid hardly makes the vender's perspective a respectable one.

 

I never said anything I was doing was ground breaking or even that it would definately do anything positive, all hypotheticals.

I am really quite shocked that you really feel that this thread is about bashing vendors. Do you really fear that people are going to go out and start making there own? When there weren't people making parts for DMS' why did you screw vendors by making and designing your own parts? Is making this thread/ posting up what I did really harming you or any other vendor out there?

I cannot and will not "test" it because I have the time nor money. I took a look at "good" performing intercoolers out there, there core sizes and endtank designs and drew my own conclusions. So if being less than 2 inches taller than your Deluxe core does that make it better or worse considering your race core is so much larger aswell? I'm going to assume because I am putting it together myself it's worse, but it's beyond my comprehension to understand why?

I never said I knew what I was talking about, nor knew how it would turn out only what I hoped to accomplish. Whether I do it or not we won't know statistically scientifically, although I reason to it will at the very least outperform the Deluxe core

http://www.are.com.au/techtalk/intec...20or%20Profile

Halfway down that page is one reason to me that it makes sense to curve the endtanks rather than run them like you do, but again, I don't know what I am talking about.

Scorke

 

I posted before I saw your reply.

I posted earlier in this thread noting that I wasn't getting rid of the Deluxe because I thought it was a bad or inferior product, solely that the guy who is buying my setup wanted it. I would of preferred to keep it for simplicity's sake but that wasn't an option.

I never said your endtank was crap, merely flawed, which you seem to agree with, so again I don't see a problem. Every part sold on this sight is flawed, some more than others, some for reasons, some not.

The fact that you have the ability to test and the track record of making fast cars makes people believe you, and I think that is a great asset. I don't see why you feel the need to try to attack me for posting up this thread when in actuality it was not aimed against you or your designs at all, until people started questioning why I was doing what I was doing and I replied with " I think I'm making it better".

As other people have mentioned, I never claimed to be Dave Buschur or God or something, just an evo owner trying something different. Sorry I used to run your parts, if I knew this was the consequence of selling it I wouldn't, but for christs sake does this really effect you this terribly?

Full-Race has a conceptualize for making some of the best turbo-kits yet lots of people have fitment issues. Some JDM companies make exhausts for JDM bumpers and sell them over here and they fit like **** and hit the bumper but people still run them. I don't expect my setup to be perfect nor did I ever say it would be....

Scorke

 

damn why cant ppl just appreciate what evo owners are doing to have fun with their cars and do what they want with it? the topic starter clearly mentioned that he isnt "dissing" AMS or Buschur, so why all this arguing?

anyways i would also like to see the outcome of this diy hahah

good luck

 

Scorke,

I think its hillarious that so many people are willingly to slam you for posting something you have done.

Your just a diyer posting up his progress on his build, and whats wrong with that?

Keep up the build, I guess people didn't get the email thats your going to be joining the ranks of an evom v endor (i kid, i kid).

 

First, your subject line was poorly thought out and VERY confrontational to every vendor on the board. I'm smart enough to know you used that to get people to read your post, and get reactions from vendors. Very childish.

My only question is, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE ONE DISCUSSION ABOUT PARTS THAT DOESN'T TURN INTO A FLAME WAR?

One day on here I'd like to have an intelligent Pro/con discussion without some numbnutt starting s***

 

I am not slamming Scorke for what he is doing, please read my post. I respect him for doing it.

What he is typing is what he is being slammed for. F&*( high prices, end tank design is flawed, BR's intercooler is small compared to my new one, Corky's book is awesome, etc. etc. etc.

As I said, I could care less he is building his own, I'm happy for him.

The problem I have is someone trying to come of as some expert who is in the process of building his very first part. Just doesn't work for me.

 

photobucket is your friend scorke. host the pics there so we can all see.

 

So far you have agreed with me that
-the end tank designed is flawed on the Deluxe
-my current core is bigger than the Deluxe

I did say @#$@# high prices, but I don't think anybody in the world has a problem with anybody saying that if you do, I'm sorry.

I also said that Corky Bell is the ****, but again, I don't see the relevance to why you feel the need for me supporting him/his book maximum boost as I feel it is beneficial and helpful to anybody trying to understand the fundamentals of turbo charging.

I never claimed to be an expert or be able to prove or show that this is the best intercooler design EVARRR just that it is possible to assemble one yourself without purchasing it through a vendor, and that maybe, it might suit you/your particular setup better.

DB- take a step back and think about what your getting riled up about, because it's nothing....


Scorke

 

I'd rather just pay the money and get an intercooler thats proven and that I know is going to fit while getting customer service if needed. I dont think its worth it to save a couple hundred bucks if that. If I wanted to save money I wouldnt have bought this damn car

 

.............You have to pay to play.